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The importance of interaction with Corporations and the NPE

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#61 - 2014-12-24 02:39:02 UTC
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:

short version: Not wars are the problem, the problem are corps where people do not learn how to defend themselves and are raised to be nothing more than ISK grinders.

I have to disagree. A lot of those war dec corps in high sec will extend war decs against anyone who dares fight back.
You undock and try to PvP.... Unless you totally rip them a new one, congratulations, you just asked for them to extend the war dec and disrupt your normal life another week (at least). As well as invited a dozen new war decs.
People ask why corps don't fight back. That is exactly why. Chances of you winning vs a person who only roams when prepared with logi & ewar with some random ships are not high. Chances of negative consequences coming from trying to fight back and losing are very high.
Net result. Staying docked decreases the disruption.
Friday Football
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-12-24 04:39:28 UTC
Newbro perspective here:

I've been playing EVE a couple of months now.

Brought a couple of friends in. They've temporarily quit (they may come back).

I have joined four corporations.

Corp 1: I was given 50m ISK to get implants. Joined TS and then received endless e-mail about how none of us should fly around in our own system because of a wardec. I asked numerous times to see if anyone wants to pvp. I joined in on fighting some defenseless structure for an hour and then camped a wormhole for another hour before deciding that corp was wrong.

Corp 2: Much more fun corp. Mainly because the wardecs gave me exposure to PVP in high sec. Interestingly enough, most of the fighting was solo because the others were afraid to engage in PVP. One day, I received an e-mail from our alliance leader that we'd have a huge battle against the Russians. I recruited my RL friends to join in on this event. However, the event turned into a 1-hour speech where the alliance leader thought he was William Wallace from Braveheart. We then flew out for about another hour and attacked a defenseless structure. Nothing happened. No PVP. No Russians. My RL friends quit after this event. Two days later, the leader of my corp disbanded the whole corp (out of the blue) and I was out a corp again.

Corp 3: Went through this interview process, multiple background checks, and then I was presented with 2754 rules to being part of this corp. I was instructed to go through their "training courses" which...actually were quite cool from a newbro perspective...but I was ordered not to go into null-sec until I had trained up all my skills according to their doctrines. The catch was that I also couldn't fly in low-sec or high-sec either due to war-decs. So my options were to 1) watch EVE mon or 2) spin my ship. After getting bored and flying in some FW zones and getting blown up, I received a stern e-mail from the person that interviewed me (I couldn't tell if it was a he or she...despite "her" having a female avatar) that I should not be flying around in FW under any circumstances. I promptly quit that corp and ended up where I am now.

Corp 4: Haven't done anything yet with these guys.

But frankly, this is my last try for this game. EVE has been touted as a game where the people make all the difference. And I will say, there are an unbelievable amount of helpful people. I'm sure there are good corps out there. But having negative experiences and watching RL friends quit has drained me. Some other poster in this thread said it best: "prostrating at the feet of some stranger". That sums up my newbro experience.
Darth Schweinebacke
Wings of Fury.
#63 - 2014-12-24 10:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Schweinebacke
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:

short version: Not wars are the problem, the problem are corps where people do not learn how to defend themselves and are raised to be nothing more than ISK grinders.

I have to disagree. A lot of those war dec corps in high sec will extend war decs against anyone who dares fight back.
You undock and try to PvP.... Unless you totally rip them a new one, congratulations, you just asked for them to extend the war dec and disrupt your normal life another week (at least). As well as invited a dozen new war decs.
People ask why corps don't fight back. That is exactly why. Chances of you winning vs a person who only roams when prepared with logi & ewar with some random ships are not high. Chances of negative consequences coming from trying to fight back and losing are very high.
Net result. Staying docked decreases the disruption.


Interesting.

The few actual fights we had since the corp was started (the corp is still pretty young, so not many chances for actual fights) we were the ones using logis and ECM.

Also just because you are wardecced it does not mean that you can not go out and do whatever you want to do. You just have to learn how to do your things while being wardecced.

You might make less ISK, you might have to use scouts and you might have to work as a team, but if you are unable to work as a team and do not fight as a corp, you should not be a corp in the first place. The shared chat channel aproach that was already mentioned in the thread would make a lot more sense for people like you.

People complaining about war decs in Eve are no better than people in other MMOs who play on a PvP server and then complain when they get killed "while they just want to do their quests".
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#64 - 2014-12-24 12:01:44 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:

short version: Not wars are the problem, the problem are corps where people do not learn how to defend themselves and are raised to be nothing more than ISK grinders.

I have to disagree. A lot of those war dec corps in high sec will extend war decs against anyone who dares fight back.
You undock and try to PvP.... Unless you totally rip them a new one, congratulations, you just asked for them to extend the war dec and disrupt your normal life another week (at least). As well as invited a dozen new war decs.
People ask why corps don't fight back. That is exactly why. Chances of you winning vs a person who only roams when prepared with logi & ewar with some random ships are not high. Chances of negative consequences coming from trying to fight back and losing are very high.
Net result. Staying docked decreases the disruption.


Interesting.

The few actual fights we had since the corp was started (the corp is still pretty young, so not many chances for actual fights) we were the ones using logis and ECM.

Also just because you are wardecced it does not mean that you can not go out and do whatever you want to do. You just have to learn how to do your things while being wardecced.

You might make less ISK, you might have to use scouts and you might have to work as a team, but if you are unable to work as a team and do not fight as a corp, you should not be a corp in the first place. The shared chat channel aproach that was already mentioned in the thread would make a lot more sense for people like you.

People complaining about war decs in Eve are no better than people in other MMOs who play on a PvP server and then complain when they get killed "while they just want to do their quests".

It depends who's decced you really.

In my last dec I sat around and camped the targets every day when I was online. Those that left the cluster to try and rat or mine elsewhere tracked down and killed by Marmite or Forsaken (whom I had hired). I'm sure they could have flown safer and killed me more often, but at that point they really might as well have just been out of high-sec where they could reap rewards more in tune with such risk and effort.

I don't think the problem is so much finding ways to fight back or make ISK in the process, but rather that you're better off doing that same thing in a WH or whatever. Corps that stick together like yours need to be afforded more benefits for doing so.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2014-12-24 12:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Abyss Azizora
Sibyyl wrote:

Invi, you won't get far here by getting mouthy and insulting Ramona.

Let's stick to the discussion and debating points actually made. Can you do that?



He/she is right though. Romana did say something pretty naive there, which could be answered with "Just about everyone who wants Eve to continue to exist and expand."

Friday Football: Sucks that you landed in so many crappy corps, sadly Eve consists of around 80-90% garbage corporations, and 10-20% decent ones. From the sound of your experiences, it would seem you should aim for either a lowsec piracy corporation or perhaps a FW corp. The piracy corps will give you the structured fleets and fights you likely want, but you'll usually need 10-20m sp, whereas the FW corps will give you non-stop pvp in typically cheap crappy ships so you don't need much (if any) real SP to jump right in. But structured fleet fights are rare as hell for almost all the FW corps, it's typically solo pvp, with occasional small gangs.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#66 - 2014-12-24 12:50:46 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Invi, you won't get far here by getting mouthy and insulting Ramona.

Let's stick to the discussion and debating points actually made. Can you do that?



He/she is right though. Romana did say something pretty naive there, which could be answered with "Just about everyone who wants Eve to continue to exist and expand."


Ramona also apologised and conceded that the OP had a case that more people would agree with.

I admit I put it in a very poor way and for that I got the treatment I deserved, and congratulated the OP on a well played victory.

I'll be sure to up my game next time.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-12-24 12:52:12 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Abyss Azizora wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Invi, you won't get far here by getting mouthy and insulting Ramona.

Let's stick to the discussion and debating points actually made. Can you do that?



He/she is right though. Romana did say something pretty naive there, which could be answered with "Just about everyone who wants Eve to continue to exist and expand."


Ramona also apologised and conceded that the OP had a case that more people would agree with.

I admit I put it in a very poor way and for that I got the treatment I deserved, and congratulated the OP on a well played victory.

I'll be sure to up my game next time.


Oh... my apologies then, I must have skipped over that post. Glad to see it was resolved. :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#68 - 2014-12-24 13:22:59 UTC
Abyss Azizora wrote:


Oh... my apologies then, I must have skipped over that post. Glad to see it was resolved. :)


We cool, m'blud *fistbump*

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann