EVE General Discussion

Hi there, as with any game there is a natural progression for all players:

1. Start: Learn and skill up. get to know the pecking order, realize you don't stand a chance against more seasoned players
2. Novice: Learn some more, start balancing the wallet, start getting some better gear.....still getting killed easily...
3. Apprentice: Start to understand the bigger picture, know where not to go.....sometimes takes a risk....pays dearly.....
4. Mid stream: Can hold your own with same level players......smile knowingly at the nub questions......understand some of the Eve speak better......start to take on nil sec.
5. Old er gamer: Making name and kicking ass.........rolling in ISK.......local advice channel for newer players
6. Veteran: Deep understanding of the game and your own abilities, wise beyond the game.........teacher, mentor, guru....

And the game is structured like that too. The newer player does not have access to the higher skills or higher ISK making avenues. As is every society and corporation in real life, you have those with seniority and those without. And those that do not have it yet, will only understand that later in the game......this is not a game, it is a community, of which the virtual reality is very real.

Fly safe and learn,

Runner.

Proving that it's more natural than the lesser games, which are easy to learn and there is no real challenge to master.

EVE is more natural, because there is no laid out path forward ...
... and no one becomes the hero who saved the gameworld at the end.

It depends how you define natural I suppose. In terms of 'normal manner' you can see that EVE is the only one that diverges from the other games.

There is no doubt that EVE has a lot to learn, but it also artificially imposes this progression due to training times.

It seems like if skill and experience trump all the game wouldn't need to also handicap new players to the extent it does.

A game of chess where a new player doesn't get access to the Bishop for 6 months, the Rook for 12 months, and the Queen for 2 years isn't being won by veterans because they're experienced and skilled.

What's natural about capping a player's access to progression based on how long they've been subscribed to the game?

The 'EVE Superiority Complex' on this site is exhausting and seems to prevent any real dialogue about the game. A game with a training queue that is 4 months long before your in game character can begin to adequately perform even one of the game's simpler roles is not being wholly driven by player adapting to the learning curve of the game.

In the mean time smart people team up with the vets making lots of isk and killing slow learners.

MMO ftw

That is what I mean by progression.

This should be locked for ranting and being non-constructive.

There is no point wasting time with you.

Did not read the banter, what I skimmed though... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 'natural progresstion' AHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAH hahahahahah ahaha ahah heh...

Eve is like real life. there is NO natural progrestion, none, zip, nodda.

Here is an example:

I am an 11 year vet (almost but close a blood nuff)

For the first 7 years of my eve carrier, I was the leader of a 600 man alliance, lived in null, ran 30 pos solo. and my wallet never, and I mean NEVER passed 100m isk. ever. If I wanted something, I pinched my pennies and bought it. If I could nto be assed to save, I did not need it. It was not till I decided I wanted a nyx that I got serious, sold all my assets, borrowed isk form an eve buddy, got my nyx... and lost it a month later. since then, that was 2010, my wallet hangs around 8b.

I did all the high level thins but my focus wa other peoples fun, and the corp and alliance. I did WAY too much for to long.

I know a month old noob who has more isk then I have EVER had. Because he trades.

I have a buddy, ceo of my sister corp, who has more isk then I can imagine, something like 500b because he works the trades. My mind just can't grasp how to do that, so I don't. My play style won't make me rich, but that's not my goal or progression. That's eve. There is no "do this, then this, then this, you are now a billionair' There is no 'oh if you are hever 5 years you are a vet, 9 a bitter vet' None of that. I'm rather good at what I specialized in, I have cotacts all over eve, I'm a decent diplo, decent leader, I have my faults, and yes I could be called a 'vet' but honestly? I learn more and more about this game everyday. You have questions about pos', pi, mining, corp and alliance management I'm your man. You have questions about industry, I kinda have answers. Questions about pve I kinda have answers, qustions about pvp... AHAHAHAHAHA go ask someone else.

You need to take this thought of progresstion and flush it. There is none. I am considered a vet, I'm not way bitter. I love thi game, love it. I'd marry it if that was possible (and my wife would not have my balls on a platter) but I'm not rich isk wise, I don't know everything about eve. I know what I know, and that's it. I consider myself rich, because I helped a lot of new players love this game, gave then starting points and some moved off to become ceo's and fcs and big people in there own right. I have fun helping others. I have fun running a corp. My path is not one I'd recommend, but its mine.

Eve's progress is like real life.. its personal. If you start looking arounf trying to mimic others, you will not find eve enjoyable. So stop this line of thinking. EVE is personal, your play style, your fun, how you have fun, is all on you. Progress is defined by you and you alone. Be it to be the richest man in eve, or the guy that if you die irl, eve will weep for you. Or someone who people can say 'yea I know DaReaper, he was my ceo, he sucked as a ceo but he got me started." or "Yea I know DaReaper, love the guy, helped me wan to play eve." That is my progress. Find yours.

Note: I'm far too lazy to be assed to spell check. Be nice kids and learn to read Reaperese. I plan to keep posting.. a lot.

Like most words, the word natural also has numerous definitions. Some examples: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/natural

No need to snap.