Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I totally agree, if we see wis, then it's needs to be as harsh and ruthless as the space game to make it meaningful. It should also represent brand new game play. Thing is though it won't then have the mass appeal that CCP have been hankering over in recent years.

I'll add this, after reading some of the replies i'll just randomly address a few things:

Mass appeal: this is a good thing. If EVE, or New Eden can find more of an audience, i.e. people try valk, like it and then try legion or eve, this means more money for CCP, which in turn means more resources available to make improvements. It also has he neat factor of giving us more people to shoot in the face.

Eve will never have mass appeal, we are the dark and scary game that hides in the alley waiting to kill you. Eve appeals to a certin type of person, the one who can write there own story without having to be told to ride these rides in this order to ride that giant mega fun ride! People can't seem to grasp what a sandbox is. That alone scares some away.

Having different experences for eve, or New Eden, can enhance or make your own experience better. If Dust and EVE had linked fully, we could be having totally different sov battles, we could be having more money flow between both games, we could be having wasy to claim outpost without firing a single shot in eve, thus making sov warfare a lot easier.

The possibilities of all the games linked are endless. Eve if its just so while I'm waititng for a fleet op, I can jump into a valk dog fight, kill a few guys and when the FC gives me a five min warning, log back into eve ready to go. Or imagine, your alliance is ready to attack alliance a. But you want to weaken them first, so you launch an atton on their planets, or the station. You have to send an eve scount in to drop the clone units, then your legionaries do there thing. If they win the planets then the defender will have a harder time defening in space, less timers, some sort of penalty. If you legionairs take the station, you own it without a single eve shot fired, making it much easier to take the system. There are tons of potential game play. There can also be plenty of non linked game play,so you can chose to play all three games, or 2 or one.

I do not want eve to be like star citzen. But this is one element where SC has a nifty idea. I doubt it will come out as CR thinks, or as people think. I doubt it will even come out. But one thing ccp has shown, is that they can link two games together, albeit with not much game play between them, but it is possible.

Besides, I think its time WiS got looked again, and I am very ready to give ccp more of my money.

Da, 11 years here and going strong.

This is how niche games work though. you see it as a scary aspect, well that's a recipe that sells. There were not so scary recipes that tried and it did not work. Star trek online among them.


External game tie ins are contentious. It breaks down one player class needing years to master their game (caps.mommy and titan and sov warfare) and another class of players who with a lot of free time and caffeine can bang out game unlocks and be uber in no time at all.

And my usual rant about disparity in the alliances. Goons and PL among some others are multigame entities for example. Some eve alliances are not, they exist in eve only and any outside game is just thrown together well what do you all play when you need a night off from eve. I am leery of this only because I don't want the clarion call for fps spammers on something awful bringing another aspect to goon swarm that would be hard as hell to counter. Their eve presence alone is enough to handle.

You don't extend a game only to appeal mass gamers.
You do it to extend experience where community wants to discover more.

If you see planets and stations, of course, you would like it to be more than a picture.
Much more if you read Evelopedia where populations are often described on their planet.

I am not sure you understood what i wrote in fact.

If i remember, community was waiting for WiS. But so disappointed when it appeared so unrelevant.

It's not the best idea to speak always about extra functionalities which were not a success.
Let's try to speak about a functionality if it's a real success because well done.

And, last, please, it's little boring to make SC and Elite as references to play. For me, they are not.
I can live Eve alone, without thinking about games not to be compared because they are not the same.

Who will compare Eve to X-Universe for example ?
No one. They are games in Space. That's all.

SC seems to be a spaceshooter.
Elite is not a MMO.

Finally, i don't know about you, but i am waiting for more than fixing bugs in a game.
I want it to give me some "woop woop".
And CCP succeeded in this in game, in forums, in Evelopedia and in trailers.

A game only to fix is a bad game.
A game with no evolution is a game to die.
What would be Eve now if they didn't try to make planetary interactions ?
What would be Legion without a first step like Dust 514 ?

So let's accept some failures if we want the best after.
But, in any case, a failure will never justify that an extension wasn't a good idea at first.

No one wanted WiS safe for the select few people who go to FanFest and pretty much cheer on every shiny crap you show them. There were other problems with Incarna yes but WiS was a major one. We don't need WiS because it adds nothing to game play except simulating a character walking to a stupid room and interacting with NPCs instead of pressing a button.

There was anger because of the amount of work invested into WiS when people have been desparately calling for ship, equip and weapons rebalance, sov changes which have yet to come, super cap rebalance and a wast mayority of other things.

EvE need everything but WiS it adds no valuable component to eve but wasted visual effects whcih don't really matter because EVE is a game about spaceships a space-sim with other aspects of the game plugged into it.

SC is a scam as is Elite Dangerous. They are play and put away games that will never bring the level of satisfaction and sense of achivement as EVE does and they will never be able to match EVE on it's scale.

And no you are wrong on every account. Eve has been in state of constant evolving both due to players own initiatives and game changes. EvE does not need constant fixing but it does need constant rebalancing and that means less new content which is not a problem because EVE already has a metric **** ton of high quality content if you don't like that than move to World Of Shitcraft where you have **** quality content and every expansion is just adding more shiny **** content.

Or go play Star Trek Online that was sposoded to be a Spaceship Sim but they changed dev teams and focused on WiS part of the game and now they are broke with a horribly crappy game.

And what does PI have anything to do with WiS. They added PI as a valuable industry component they didn't add it to bring in more people it has purpose and value. Waling in station has no value having stupid bars and crap like that has no value and it's simply just wasted developer hours.

Legion has nothing to do with WiS and unlike WiS it has a lot of value to both CCP & Players a lot of EVE players also play BF or CoD or CS when there is nothing going on Legion may bring those people into fold so it has great value.


WiS was and still is a horrible idea with no value and no way you implement it will it be anything more than a cosmetic trash feature and a ton of wasted dev hours.

The thing I really like about elite is how it doesn't have highsec or any ridiculous penalties for ganking. Don't have to take into consideration omnipotent god-police with system wide warp scrams who one-volley your ship regardless of what you're packing.

While generally I think Eve does things better, Elite certainly has a number of aspects CCP could learn from.

This is not true.
You can certainly have the opinion that it is unwanted, but I sincerely doubt you have polled the playerbase to confirm your claim that only a few actually wanted it.

CCP had already confirmed interest from enough of us to go so far as to make the CQ the default log in aspect.
That was one heck of a leap, and it might have worked IF other factors had not been what they were.

We have no cause to doubt they were right about it being wanted, before this botched release, and I feel they screwed it up in two major ways:

1. They should NEVER try to force anything onto the players, and dumping us into the CQ at log-in felt VERY forced.
2. The whole monocle gate affair landing at the same time, made an unexpected negative backlash that tainted everything CCP did at the same period.

Playing a sandbox, and liking it, means you really can't speak for anyone else when you say players don't want something.
The sandbox concept is mutually exclusive to the idea that certain play interests are unwanted.

The sandbox wants every type it can get.

I think you misunderstood.

There are ways that eve can appeal to a grander audience without losing its core. And Appeal just means someone will try it. It still takes a special person to get it. I for one am happy that eve is trying to appeal, for all we know, someone who heard eve was this 'evil place and was so hard to learn' could see something that makes them give a try anyway, and because of some changes to the NPE and some entry level content to run, could then decide that they want to try there hands at something else. This noobie could become the next CYVOK, Sir Molle, Mittiens, ETC. You just don't know. I want ccp to make changes to bring in new players, allow the 'shallow end' on eve to look fun and exciting. Then we, the players, lure them to the deep end where the sharks are with our stories, not ccp's, ours. EVE needs a storyline and progresstion to get that type of player interested, then we are the rich deeper meaning of eve. WE are what keeps people here. Causuals who don't join corps bail. The reason? Because WE the players, are what make eve awesome. Without us there is no story. There is no game. There is no excitement. But we have to keep fresh blood flowing into eve. Hoenstly, legion and valk will imo be a good thing for eve in the long run. But time will tell

No it was pretty much only WiS, players have been asking CCP to fix the standing issues for 2 years and then it all boiled up when Incarna came out and it showed how much time was wasted on developing this useless cosmetic feature. The monocle and the greed is good report trying to bring microtransactions into EVE was just the sprinkle on the top.

Noone cared about monocle being 1b because 99% knew they will never buy this trash at those prices. They were outraged that CCP ignored all the urgent requests and went with WiS and the key feature of the expansion. That's why you saw such a massive and rapid deployment of bug fixes and udpates since.

The smeared **** on top of everything was EVE financing DUST and DUST endign up being PS only. In any case if you want this trash experience go play SC & Elite while the rest of us will hope that for god sake CCP does not take any inspiration from two games that so far have been nothing but scams.