Ships & Modules

On a scale of 1 to down syndrome, how stupid do you feel?

The new and improved Catalyst pumps out 800 dps overheated (no, you won't need those guns later). An exhumer, much less barge, won't tank it no matter what you do. Just be like everyone else and run ratting bots deep within the blue ass of a large alliance, where you don't see hostiles for weeks on end.

Impossibru!


[Hulk, Tank]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

27.8k EHP nonoverheat. Overheat the Invulns to get 31k.

if it fits medium rigs it's a cruiser/BC sized hull - it should have enough for L shield extender and an AB(or second extender).
MAPC on a cruiser sized hull should never be even considered. MAPC screams frigate.

Because balancing should be due to sweeping generalizations, right?

Lady Spank states 'adapt or die'...and then ignores the fact that in that case (were it possible) miners would have adapted their ships with more tank and even some gank (without affecting the mining abilities) to be able to defend themselves rather than providing simple juicy targets.

How much tank should they have? Enough to be able to survive!

Oh wait, that might mean that suiciding stops being risk free, and then the gankers would have to adapt or die...

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Exactly. If it's broken in its intended role, don't fix it, just don't use it in its intended role. Lol@ gallante and hybrids, btw.

Read my previous post:


Fittings won't help, even against a dessie. Barge is going the way of the Gallante.

That really depends on the situation.

An EHP fit would give him ~15 seconds to against your 800 DPS. Which would have saved him in 0.7, and perhaps even 0.6.

But in this case he was destroyed by a low SP char in an auto thrasher. So we are talking more like 200 DPS or maybe even a bit less. Where an EHP fit would have given him well over a minute and Concord would have saved him.

Bloody forums ate my post.


15 seconds for a single Catalyst to kill you? No. Well, if you're untanked, sure, but then you deserve to die. If you use the Tank fit that I posted earlier, the 28k EHP against 800 DPS gives a 35 second survival time - before overheating or jamming. ECM will save you outright, and it has the chance for two cycles, while overheating will up that to a 40 second survival time, or Time To Kill (TTK)

So that just means that they'll have to bring two Catalysts, right? Well, then they're down to a 17.5/20 second TTK, which is still leaning towards the safe side without ECM drones factored in. If there are three, it'll take 11.6/ 13.3 seconds, but if you get the jam you're safe. A flight of light ECM has a 40% jam chance and a flight of mediums has 52%, so it's just about a coin toss. However, the Catalysts would probably have to synchronize fire, or risk CONCORD showing up early for two of them.

Additionally, all of this is before leadership boosts, as Emperor Salazar pointed out earlier. You don't even need a full booster - just someone with the leadership skills trained up enough to give the armor/shield HP bonuses will give a noticeable effect. And for comparison's sake, take a look at the EHP of common combat cruisers. They generally fall between 20k and 40k, so the Hulk is comparable tank-wise. If there was enough grid to fit a LSE, you'd be putting it's EHP up to about 50k, or about the same as a shield Cane.

PS. Fully gank fit Catalyst with Neutron II's and Void, WITH 5% HARDWIRINGS hits 776. But it can't fit tackle. So that analysis is actually optimistic for the Catalysts since a more realistic DPS is 663 with overheated Ions with web/scram or 690 with a split Ion/Neutron and just a scram....