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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#21 - 2014-09-05 12:24:58 UTC
KnightMaire kings wrote:
The probem is now they're so thin that thay vaporise if you look at them funny and thare slow you cant rep any thing becouse its run off and you dont have the rep range or speed to keep up

yes logi are a minoritynand are being apreset



This is not a problem. It is something you want to change. There is a difference between a problem and something you don't have.

Becareful what you ask for. There are some CCP faux devs that don't have the fozziest idea what they are doing to the game when they make changes. You need to consider FW space being over run w/ unbreakable inty/AF gangs backed by T2 logi frig support. You are asking for a very large game changer here. As a player that has participated in the wh T3 guardian/proteus/armor jamgu fleets of epic boredom.... be careful what you ask for.

(pro tip: this would pretty much be the end for the solo frigate pvp guys. I know I wouldn't go into a FW site w/out my second account t2 logi frig flying overwatch for me)
Lugalzagezi666
#22 - 2014-09-05 13:54:00 UTC
I hope ccp wont see this, or we can all pretty much start training new frig logi alts for solo frig pvp.Ugh
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#23 - 2014-09-05 16:26:23 UTC  |  Edited by: KnightMaire kings
Lugalzagezi666 wrote:
I hope ccp wont see this, or we can all pretty much start training new frig logi alts for solo frig pvp.Ugh

Do it now the tec 1s are good ish
Thay have so much potential and no applacation
All I whan is more speed so I can actually logi

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Damen Apol
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#24 - 2014-09-05 17:26:41 UTC
KnightMaire kings wrote:
Damen Apol wrote:
logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it

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Small gangs have more to gane from this than blobs
Also the new frig wh make the t2 frig logi a scary idea


Clearly you've never flown small gang, or if you have you're a terrible pilot.

If I have three people in my gang, I pretty much need respectable dps from all of them, point-holding capability from at least two of them, and some anti-frigate ability from at least one of them. Some of these things can vary around depending on composition and what you're expecting to shoot etc. etc.

But if you drop one of those people for a logistics ship, you've lost a TON of utility for what? Some reps? If you're flying with three people and need logistics, you're doing something so terribly wrong that you have no chance of taking any serious fight anyway.
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#25 - 2014-09-05 17:38:40 UTC
Damen Apol wrote:
KnightMaire kings wrote:
Damen Apol wrote:
logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it

blobber detected


Small gangs have more to gane from this than blobs
Also the new frig wh make the t2 frig logi a scary idea


Clearly you've never flown small gang, or if you have you're a terrible pilot.

If I have three people in my gang, I pretty much need respectable dps from all of them, point-holding capability from at least two of them, and some anti-frigate ability from at least one of them. Some of these things can vary around depending on composition and what you're expecting to shoot etc. etc.

But if you drop one of those people for a logistics ship, you've lost a TON of utility for what? Some reps? If you're flying with three people and need logistics, you're doing something so terribly wrong that you have no chance of taking any serious fight anyway.

Im thinking like 5 to 10 man fleets is ware this belongs

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#26 - 2014-09-05 19:12:33 UTC
you need to think about the 30 man gangs you'll get. I understand what you want, and that would probably be fun the 3 times it works.

But the price of having logi frigs in fw sites (effectively killing solo fw hunting) and invincible inty gangs is just too high.

This is a bad idea. Let it go.
Lugalzagezi666
#27 - 2014-09-05 19:14:14 UTC
The bigger gang, the more dps/ewar it can afford to lose in favour of logi support, easily reaching the point, where it can permatank smaller gangs completely. Especially with some "uberlogi" frigs with more buffer, t2 resists and better mobility.

JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#28 - 2014-09-05 19:29:26 UTC
This is a bad idea.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
Good Sax
#29 - 2014-09-10 23:02:00 UTC
+1 to drone size logi frigates.

Lets make this game even more shitlord friendly.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-09-13 22:05:30 UTC
Remove current t1 frigate logis, reintroduce them unchanged as t2 logis that cost 30mil for the hull, remove t1 cruiser logi -> this game gets a lot better.
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-09-15 17:46:49 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Remove current t1 frigate logis, reintroduce them unchanged as t2 logis that cost 30mil for the hull, remove t1 cruiser logi -> this game gets a lot better.


Have to agree, recently got back into FW, and have participated in two fleet fights so far. Both times each side got maybe one kill while logi's where setting up, getting locks etc. Then spent 5-10 minutes to trying to kill each other which neither of us could do. Then warped off.

Both sides had 6-8 tech 1 logi cruisers.

Unless you have the fleet sizes that nullsec produce and have the ability to alpha logi, then they just create stalemates.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-09-15 18:20:26 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Remove current t1 frigate logis, reintroduce them unchanged as t2 logis that cost 30mil for the hull, remove t1 cruiser logi -> this game gets a lot better.


Then we are back to training a racial ship skill to V before people can even try to be a logi. The T1 frig and cruiser act as good stepping stone into logi play and should remain available.
Klown Walk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-09-15 19:28:11 UTC
I would like to see a logi frigate/cruiser that's designed to use rep drones only.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-09-16 02:00:54 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
Yes just what this name is a greater proliferation of logi ships. T2 logi already have near-frigate sig radius what would t2 logi frigs have, 10m sig?



and he seems to want them faster and tankier....what could possibly go wrong? lol


OP...the whole speed and tank thing....AT kind of ruined that for you. We have a case of a burst with tandem reps taking up to what, 26000? in damage before dying.

When ccp looks at ships and such I like to believe they factor in what happens when you get a "pro" pilot in these things. Make a ship less than skilled proof to use a phrase, what happens when you get a good player in them. Latter tends to see where you see op potential.

Yes it diverted reps from its fellow burst. That's kind of the point. I am not as adamant as others in this thread in logi hate. BUt....I am not crying rivers when someone is forcing logi's to rep each other to keep them alive vice keeping other ships alive longer either lol.
Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-09-24 02:17:34 UTC
Would be awesome, probably won't happen however.

There is already a silly amount of ship classes and we really don't need any more. If anything, the existing classes should be expanded on such as the introduction of another set of interdictors or a set of Carrier that has no logistic bonus or refit ability but a massive damage bonus....nevermind that's a dread.

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KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#36 - 2014-12-18 23:38:46 UTC
the way to kill logi is to e war them to death wile dpsing thangs of the field
if you have no e war you need the null block sized fleets to kill thangs

so as with all thangs its op as **** unless you have a counter fleet

paper is fine rock is op as hell - scissors

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#37 - 2014-12-19 07:18:45 UTC
PhatController wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Remove current t1 frigate logis, reintroduce them unchanged as t2 logis that cost 30mil for the hull, remove t1 cruiser logi -> this game gets a lot better.


Have to agree, recently got back into FW, and have participated in two fleet fights so far. Both times each side got maybe one kill while logi's where setting up, getting locks etc. Then spent 5-10 minutes to trying to kill each other which neither of us could do. Then warped off.

Both sides had 6-8 tech 1 logi cruisers.

Unless you have the fleet sizes that nullsec produce and have the ability to alpha logi, then they just create stalemates.


There are no stalemates, only people who don't bring neuts and ewar in a fleet fight with logi.

+1 for T2 small ship logi, but the hull could as well be destroyer
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#38 - 2014-12-22 02:51:15 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
PhatController wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Remove current t1 frigate logis, reintroduce them unchanged as t2 logis that cost 30mil for the hull, remove t1 cruiser logi -> this game gets a lot better.


Have to agree, recently got back into FW, and have participated in two fleet fights so far. Both times each side got maybe one kill while logi's where setting up, getting locks etc. Then spent 5-10 minutes to trying to kill each other which neither of us could do. Then warped off.

Both sides had 6-8 tech 1 logi cruisers.

Unless you have the fleet sizes that nullsec produce and have the ability to alpha logi, then they just create stalemates.


There are no stalemates, only people who don't bring neuts and ewar in a fleet fight with logi.

+1 for T2 small ship logi, but the hull could as well be destroyer



dissy logi no to much sig

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
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