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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#61 - 2014-12-18 17:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
Is where i always thought T3 ships role belongs, where they are found, in WH's

its all speculation at this point tho :)

but with all this info about, its hard for me to grasp investing long term in MNR.

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RAW23
#62 - 2014-12-18 18:52:56 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Is where i always thought T3 ships role belongs, where they are found, in WH's

its all speculation at this point tho :)

but with all this info about, its hard for me to grasp investing long term in MNR.


Not sure I would recommend holding for the long run (3 months plus). This post is re: short the medium term, i.e. the 3-6 week range, max 8 weeks. My best guess for the profit isn't worthwhile over any longer period.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#63 - 2014-12-18 23:43:55 UTC
Dante Lennelluc wrote:
Hi all,

From a trading noob perspective, what is to be gained by manipulating the price down by using your own sell orders? Is it just a case that the manipulator has a large stockpile waiting to dump when the price spikes and gathering even more stock with cheaper buy orders?



Most of the time someone is trying to crush a rival trader.

Sometimes, someone has a massive buy order up and posts small sell orders at a price they don't really want to sell at, but that they hope will get undercut a few times. Then they buy up all the undercuts.

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RAW23
#64 - 2014-12-20 00:20:02 UTC
I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2014-12-20 01:19:44 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.


ty RAW23.
good call.

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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#66 - 2014-12-20 03:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
RAW23 wrote:
I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.


Someone obvs bought and re-listed them but forgot:

Stronger 4m+ Buy order support, The cost of the product they turn into, is now un-profitable at that price.

in short, ppl buying these at this price will make a loss on the product they make.

or will you manip those up as well raw? Lol

EDIT: and as i typed this, someone nicely put up a sell order for 356 @ 4,050,000

fail manip is fail.

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Makhpella
Bad Taste.
#67 - 2014-12-20 04:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Makhpella
it seems like someone was having fun messing with plex and other prices

edit:
it is obviously manipulation so I still think you should eat your hat
did you manipulate it to win internet credit?
RAW23
#68 - 2014-12-20 09:15:16 UTC
Makhpella wrote:
it seems like someone was having fun messing with plex and other prices

edit:
it is obviously manipulation so I still think you should eat your hat


Read the OP. My call was that someone would manipulate it up after manipulating it down Blink

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RAW23
#69 - 2014-12-20 09:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:


Someone obvs bought and re-listed them


I'm sure that's the case with some of them but if you look carefully you'll see that the three big stacks that were holding the market down at 4.1mil have moved up to 4.5mil. The bulk of the lower priced units were in those three blocking orders so when that pressure was lifted there wouldn't have been many units left to buy up after a week of trending in that direction anyway. Of course, according to you no one was holding the market down in the first place though, there were no blocking orders, the market was in free-fall etc, etc ...

Btw, you can see that the price rise was predominantly due to a release in downwards pressure rather than the buying up of the market by looking at the high sell and average sell prices for yesterday. It looks like nothing above 3.86 was actually bought and relisted. Rather, everything above that level, with the exception of a few outliers too insignificant to show on the market data table, were repositioned.

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those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#70 - 2014-12-20 12:13:58 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:


Someone obvs bought and re-listed them


I'm sure that's the case with some of them but if you look carefully you'll see that the three big stacks that were holding the market down at 4.1mil have moved up to 4.5mil.


Agreeing it isnt you that did it Roll,

the 3 big stacks are listed at price points where it would take months of volume of the subsystem components (that use MNR), at their current prices, in order for those to become profitable to make again.

Theres no "downward pressure" like no profit using them at that price to try make components. Lol

do some homework did you literally throw a dart at this market? you better go buy out all the components up to the 4.5m mark champ. and also the subsystems themselves too ok?

RAW23 wrote:
I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.


Taking credit for someone's very heavy bag of ribbons Roll

only reason i care about this is i'm almost certain you are to doop some scrub noob into buying these (like the guy that "thanked" you) while you offload the bag u are obvs holding.

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Tear Jar
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CODE.
#71 - 2014-12-20 18:09:23 UTC
Good call.. I made a solid profit off of that.

Ignore Jerry. He just wants to be contrarian.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#72 - 2014-12-21 15:23:55 UTC
RAW23
#73 - 2014-12-22 12:42:49 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Big smileLol

Lots to learn, my young one, lots to learn


Are you really implying that you have been right about anything at all in this thread?

LolLolLolLolLol

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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#74 - 2014-12-22 15:46:59 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Big smileLol

Lots to learn, my young one, lots to learn


Are you really implying that you have been right about anything at all in this thread?

LolLolLolLolLol


no, the video was implying the price is being dunked. Smile

you made the thread, teach us more Big smile

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RAW23
#75 - 2014-12-23 10:30:16 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:


you made the thread, teach us more Big smile



The blocking stacks (which totally don't exist), which were moved up to 4.5mil to allow the market to run up have now been dropped back to 4mil to put downwards pressure on the market. My guess is that what we will now see is an attempt to run the market down again to the 3.5mil mark for a restock with the same tactics as before (long lists of tiny unmoving orders punctuated by blocking orders at various price points). However, I'm not sure whether it will work as well this time or if the new floor will be higher due to the general upwards trend. Recommendation would be to rebuy at 3.5, if it gets there for any significant period of time and to sell again the next time the downwards pressure is lifted. If it doesn't drop that far, then I'm not entirely sure whether it's worth buying in again or not at a higher price. The blocking orders are less thick this time round so the trend could push things back up quite quickly but if the quantities on sells thicken up things might stabilise for a while in the 3.65-3.8 range. On the other hand, if the current buys at 3.75 thicken we might see stabilisation at that level.

So, what will happen in the short term now depends on a) how deep the stocks are of the person doing the downwards push, b) how strong the upwards trend is, and c) whether anyone with deeper pockets than the guy in a) attempts to push the market up.

tl;dr Wait and see but definitely buy in again if we see a strong drop to 3.5.

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RAW23
#76 - 2014-12-30 15:36:46 UTC
RAW23 wrote:


tl;dr Wait and see but definitely buy in again if we see a strong drop to 3.5.


I'm going to have to say exercise caution on this. There is still plenty of support at the 3.5mil level but too much of that is concentrated in a single order to be comfortable with. There was a 4k unit buy order as well but that was either filled or pulled yesterday and if the 6k unit order is pulled then that could have a very significant effect as these two big buy orders have provided a counter-balance and floor to the attempt to run the market down so far.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#77 - 2014-12-30 17:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
RAW23 wrote:
RAW23 wrote:


tl;dr Wait and see but definitely buy in again if we see a strong drop to 3.5.


I'm going to have to say exercise caution on this. There is still plenty of support at the 3.5mil level but too much of that is concentrated in a single order to be comfortable with. There was a 4k unit buy order as well but that was either filled or pulled yesterday and if the 6k unit order is pulled then that could have a very significant effect as these two big buy orders have provided a counter-balance and floor to the attempt to run the market down so far.


yeh less than a day or 2 of volume of them in buy orders, average price is:

2014.12.29 - 3,527,004.40 ISK for yesterday 10k moved/flipped w/e, average price is right on the buy order price.

beauty of this (for those of you holding the bag due to this thread), one day they will go up again, its eve things change fast! don't feel bad raw23, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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RAW23
#78 - 2014-12-30 19:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:

beauty of this (for those of you holding the bag due to this thread), one day they will go up again, its eve things change fast! don't feel bad raw23, even a broken clock is right twice a day.


Why would anyone be 'holding the bag' because of this thread? I made my initial suggestion, the market did as I predicted, people should have made isk selling when I called it. If anyone then followed my later suggestion to buy back in at 3.5 they can either a) still get out now for no loss other than opportunity cost if they get cold feet, or b) they can hold on and see what will happen. There is no certainty of a downwards shift from 3.5, just a change in circumstance making it slightly more likely in the short term with the 4k buy order getting nuked or pulled. I'm still pretty confident in my medium term prediction but wouldn't encourage anyone to bet the farm on it.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#79 - 2014-12-30 21:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerry T Pepridge
Quote:
They are currently being aggressively held down to the current price (note the big blocking sell orders plus the small orders giving the illusion of lots of competition for sales) but when that pressure is taken off they will spike and settle at a considerably higher price (exactly where is anyone's guess but I suspect at least 25% above where they are now).


Quote:
(exactly where is anyone's guess but I suspect at least 25% above where they are now).


RAW23 wrote:

Why would anyone be 'holding the bag' because of this thread? I made my initial suggestion,


The ones holding the bag are the ones jossling for position "on top" of the sell order column. the naive ones that don't actually post here or even sign in but read these forums religiously. bottom line, someone is holding the bag. there always is.

RAW23 wrote:

the market did as I predicted, people should have made isk selling when I called it.


you 'predicted' nothing dude, the guy with the big orders moved his up & bought out everything underneath it, you hung your hat on it lol

RAW23 wrote:

If anyone then followed my later suggestion to buy back in at 3.5 they can either a) still get out now for no loss other than opportunity cost if they get cold feet, or b) they can hold on and see what will happen.


so why did you make this stupid thread anyway?

you based your assumption on an "analysis" AKA a big guess. admit it, you have no idea about this market, were holding the bag from the last spike and wanted to offload your (almost certainly more than 4b) of stock.

Reason why akita T thread worked for tech? coz it was based on a fact duder, not a mystical market force.

You & your thread failed hard howeevr, and ppl likely lost isk, the little gain from the 1 day, yes 1 day only that there was a glimmer of hope that you were "right" ppl made what, like 11%?

wow such margin

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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#80 - 2014-12-30 21:37:17 UTC
Bottom line readers:

Find your own markets, ppl posting any suggestions here are just trying to sell there overvalued stock.

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