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Counteract the cancer that gnaws Highsec

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2014-12-19 20:36:01 UTC
Zephris wrote:
LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.

At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.

The starter systems, where people are probably going to be when they get into their first venture, are protected from CODE. Once you leave the starter systems you are fair game, as you should be.

EVE is a harsh place, as it is supposed to be. People who don't like it can, and should, play something else.
Zephris
The Eldritch Circle
#42 - 2014-12-19 20:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zephris
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Zephris wrote:
LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.

At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.

The starter systems, where people are probably going to be when they get into their first venture, are protected from CODE. Once you leave the starter systems you are fair game, as you should be.

EVE is a harsh place, as it is supposed to be. People who don't like it can, and should, play something else.



a noob doesn't care if it's a sandbox or themepark. they play whatever is fun for them. Maybe they are trying to decide between star ctizen, elite and eve online. Maybe they are giving this a try because they clicked an ad. Whatever.

But all the effort CCP made to attract new players are going to be wasted unless there is somewhere they can safely overcome the steep learning curve.

I am sure CCP want to exclude as many subscriber as they can. so **** them off at your own risk.
Judging from the result of last alliance tournament, you are doing a great job, keep it up.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#43 - 2014-12-19 20:44:14 UTC
Zephris wrote:


LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.


This is you projecting (ie, that's what YOU would do). My 1st death was in a rifter to a Brutix (I didn't know I was in low sec). My response was to train for a Brutix.

Not everyone is like you, not everyone quits in the face of a challenge. It's no different than in real life when a high school dude gets rebuffed by some pretty girl. One type of guy skulks off thinking about how chicks are evil, the other thinks "I need to modify my approach" and learns how to approach girls better in the future. One ends up a bitter old dude in his mothers basement, the other turns into this guy.

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At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.



CCPs words on the matter.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#44 - 2014-12-19 20:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Zephris wrote:


But all the effort CCP made to attract new players are going to be wasted unless there is somewhere they can safely overcome the steep learning curve.


If this were even close to true, how did those of use who started years ago (7 years ago for me) ever survive when the game was WAY harsher than it is now?

What you believe is demonstrably untrue.
Zephris
The Eldritch Circle
#45 - 2014-12-19 20:46:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zephris
Jenn aSide wrote:
Zephris wrote:


LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.


This is you projecting (ie, that's what YOU would do). My 1st death was in a rifter to a Brutix (I didn't know I was in low sec). My response was to train for a Brutix.

Not everyone is like you, not everyone quits in the face of a challenge. It's no different than in real life when a high school dude gets rebuffed by some pretty girl. One type of guy skulks off thinking about how chicks are evil, the other thinks "I need to modify my approach" and learns how to approach girls better in the future. One ends up a bitter old dude in his mothers basement, the other turns into this guy.

Quote:

At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.



CCPs words on the matter.


It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.
No, being "highly exclusive" is fine if you are a social club, not when you are running a MMORPG.

My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#46 - 2014-12-19 20:50:45 UTC
Zephris wrote:


It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.


And yet YOU are here, with a paid account (either with cash or plex, because you can post here).

EVE isn't and never has been for everyone, most of the people I invited didn't stay, they weren't cut out for EVE. That's not a bad thing, things that are rare are valuable (like EVE players and Gold), things that are common suck (like Dirt and games about elves and orcs)

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My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying.


You might want to go back and look at all the new trials that resulted from the "This is EVE" trailer.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-12-19 20:51:11 UTC
Zephris wrote:
a noob doesn't care if it's a sandbox or themepark. they play whatever is fun for them. Maybe they are trying to decide between star ctizen, elite and eve online. Maybe they are giving this a try because they clicked an ad. Whatever.

But all the effort CCP made to attract new players are going to be wasted unless there is somewhere they can safely overcome the steep learning curve.

I am sure CCP want to exclude as many subscriber as they can. so **** them off at your own risk.
Judging from the result of last alliance tournament, you are doing a great job, keep it up.

All the more reason for them to find out that EVE is not a theme park as soon as possible. Before they put much time and money into it.

There is such a safe place. The starter systems.

There such a thing as "bad customer fit" in the business world. You should look it up.

I am not sure what the Alliance Tournament has to do with anything as Silent Infinity has never participated in it.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2014-12-19 20:55:02 UTC
Zephris wrote:
It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.
No, being "highly exclusive" is fine if you are a social club, not when you are running a MMORPG.

My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying.

So what? They obviously weren't the kind of people that EVE appeals to. There is no rule saying than an MMO has to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible.

EVE seems to be getting plenty of new players. I meet them all the time. Do you have a source to back up your claim that EVE is not getting new players?
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#49 - 2014-12-19 21:15:09 UTC
IMO there is no problem with non consensual PvP, but i don't feel highsec ganking is in a well balanced spot in terms of risk v reward... There is always a bit of hypocracy in a ganker lecturing a carebear about their aversion to risk, as the risk of a ganker taking an actual loss is low.

Oh, and if you want to "create content" why not create it in outside highsec against ships that want and are actively looking for this content and... Dare I say... Will shoot you back or quite possibility even be the aggressor
Zephris
The Eldritch Circle
#50 - 2014-12-19 21:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zephris
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Zephris wrote:
It's not my projection, It's the reaction of every. single. person I tried to invite to the game.
No, being "highly exclusive" is fine if you are a social club, not when you are running a MMORPG.

My first death with a reaper warping into Amamake back in ... whichever year that was.
We know eve is not getting new players, and It's not probably because CCP isn't trying.

So what? They obviously weren't the kind of people that EVE appeals to. There is no rule saying than an MMO has to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible.

EVE seems to be getting plenty of new players. I meet them all the time. Do you have a source to back up your claim that EVE is not getting new players?


Player count data.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Those player you met probably quit already.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#51 - 2014-12-19 21:17:32 UTC
Zephris wrote:
LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.

That's strange... because my reaction was "whoa... what happened?? Did he just kill me? I'm taking his name down and kill him when I am 'better!!!'"

It is the same reaction when my friends beat me at arcade fighting games. "Wait... wut? How did you do that? Rematch!!"


Zephris wrote:
At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.

Thank the gods you are not in charge of CCP. I will resist EVE becoming "safer" with every fiber of my being.

How did you Veterans start?
Zephris
The Eldritch Circle
#52 - 2014-12-19 21:20:47 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Zephris wrote:
LOL Wut. You are new to this game, you finally trained for your first venture, you go to belt, and boom, suddenly, it's gone and you are a frozen corpse. Of course any sane person would say "**** this game" rather than keep playing, especially if they are on trial.

That's strange... because my reaction was "whoa... what happened?? Did he just kill me? I'm taking his name down and kill him when I am 'better!!!'"

It is the same reaction when my friends beat me at arcade fighting games. "Wait... wut? How did you do that? Rematch!!"


Zephris wrote:
At the end of the day, I am not the one making the call, CCP is. technically the own everything in EVE, just keep that in mind.

Thank the gods you are not in charge of CCP. I will resist EVE becoming "safer" with every fiber of my being.


LOL so if that's your logic why don't you go to lowsec. It's less safe there. Or W-space where you don't even have locals.
No you don't like danger, you like danger as long as it doesn't apply to you.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2014-12-19 21:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Zephris wrote:
Player count data.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Those player you met probably quit already.

That information shows more new players joining now than ever before. So I ask again, do you have a source to back up your claim?

And they haven't quit, they are still messing around in 49GC-R.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#54 - 2014-12-19 21:45:55 UTC
Zephris wrote:
Everyone's missing the point.
Why don't NPC alliances dec corp / alliances that has low starting to them ?

This already happens if your standings are too low to an empire, and thank your lucky stars it's based on individual standings and not corporation standings because those are an amalgam. I used to get attacked in every Amarr and Caldari system I entered, even before I had a negative sec status.

Then, if your sec status is too low for the system you're in the faction navy will chase you around just for being a criminal. Same thing goes for the CONCORD constellation, only the faction navy is CONCORD.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#55 - 2014-12-19 21:48:43 UTC
The OP is an excellent example of why NPC corp characters should be banned from this subforum. All they are used for is to post troll suggestions like this.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-12-19 22:01:20 UTC
The only hisec csncer I know is prostrate cancer suffered by those who lie down before code and buy their permits :D
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#57 - 2014-12-19 22:06:54 UTC
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