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Khao Tulin
Flat Earth Believers
#1 - 2014-12-18 15:17:11 UTC
Hi everybody, I'm asking for some advice all my mates play caldari(missiles) and I joined in there corp . I am a gallante pilot training up for a khronos(75days) I'm very heavy in armour tanking and hybrid weapons.now for the problem. We all wish to start doing incursions the corp is also very sheild heavy.as a result I can't really join as is. I'm trying to find out if its worth trying to go in to a caldari gunboat like a rokh. And get the relavent sheild tanking skills. I am worried about doing this and from whe . I used to play on my old toon about 6 years ago hybrids were bad along with the caldari gunboats. Are they better now
Tuscor
13.
#2 - 2014-12-18 15:33:59 UTC
Hybrids are a great weapon system, and the caldari ships that use them are not terrible.

I dont think Rohks are used very much outside of smart-bombing.

If you are gallente trained maybe you have good drone skills? If that is the case then a rattlesnake battleship might be ok, or you could maybe try a shield fit dominix...

If all your mates fly shield and you want to fly with them, maybe train towards Caldari ships, with shields and missiles and go the whole hog.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#3 - 2014-12-18 15:38:05 UTC
Khao Tulin wrote:
Hi everybody, I'm asking for some advice all my mates play caldari(missiles) and I joined in there corp . I am a gallante pilot training up for a khronos(75days) I'm very heavy in armour tanking and hybrid weapons.now for the problem. We all wish to start doing incursions the corp is also very sheild heavy.as a result I can't really join as is. I'm trying to find out if its worth trying to go in to a caldari gunboat like a rokh. And get the relavent sheild tanking skills. I am worried about doing this and from whe . I used to play on my old toon about 6 years ago hybrids were bad along with the caldari gunboats. Are they better now

As a pilot who is heavily cross-trained for Gallente and Caldari, I can tell you that it's absolutely worth it. While you can't really armor tank any Caldari ships, you can passably shield tank some Gallente ones. I would suggest that you also train the appropriate missile skills to get the most out of your Caldari training, especially if you're going to be running Incursions.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-12-18 15:42:16 UTC
what about a vindi?
only need minmater bs trained away from your normal path.
should be able to shield tank enough for Incursion running.
will need a faction web but will be very good at holding close in frigs still.

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Khao Tulin
Flat Earth Believers
#5 - 2014-12-18 15:48:53 UTC
Drone skills are probably not great (t2 hobgoblins and t1 ogre level) hadent actually thought about a vindi though its out of my price range (we are building the khronos). The main reason I didn't go caldari when I played before apart from the lovely torps(sadly not in the game any more.) I hated missiles don't know why I just think guns feal better. Thanks for the input guys.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-12-18 16:02:00 UTC
full disclosure: i have not done any incursions myself, so my advice is purely theoretical.

if your goal is incursions, your best bet is probably a vindicator or machariel. while missiles are useful in assault and HQ sites (20man and 40man respectively), vanguards (10man sites) is what the cool kids are running. in vanguards, missiles are highly suboptimal because the NPCs die very quickly.

as for the rokh, its only drawback is the horrible DPS. there are non-faction cruisers that can do more damage at a higher range than the rokh, let alone battlecruisers, command ships or other battleships. while this is not a major problem for big pvp fleets, incursions (like combat missions) are all about killing things quickly, so you will need a ship with high dps.

as a side note, there is no good reason not to use a shield tanked kronos in incursions, other than the vindicator being more useful because of the web bonus.

I should buy an Ishtar.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-12-18 21:18:54 UTC
If you are looking for fast T3 trains fast and if you already have the generic gun skills then getting medium projectiles might not be too far out so how about a loki?

Also just in general going Minmatar for shield cross train when you have a Galente base opens up the Angles faction ships like the Machariel in the future. This might be a good path.

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GordonO
BURN EDEN
#8 - 2014-12-18 23:37:02 UTC
Shield navy mega's and hyperions used to be used in incursions quite a bit outside of leet fleets. Training OK shield skills is pretty quick. Shield vindi's are still used extensively by leet fleets..

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Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-12-21 02:52:38 UTC
Tuscor wrote:
Hybrids are a great weapon system, and the caldari ships that use them are not terrible.

I dont think Rohks are used very much outside of smart-bombing.

If you are gallente trained maybe you have good drone skills? If that is the case then a rattlesnake battleship might be ok, or you could maybe try a shield fit dominix...

If all your mates fly shield and you want to fly with them, maybe train towards Caldari ships, with shields and missiles and go the whole hog.



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ROKH ROCKS!

i love using my rail rokh for lvl 4's / sniping

*hoping to do a incursion some day but everyone tells me get a vindy or go home*

but then i trained caldari hybrid before missles (and before hybrids were buffed into usefulness)

i literally got gunnery + hybrid skills ALL MAXED but large specilizations.

i do however have decent missile skills (about 3 million sp vs my 9 million in gunnery) so i can pretty much fly any caldari ship i like or want other then some of the tech 2 variants i haven't trained up for yet cause mostly 60 day wait times on each ship.

i even have a blaster tengu >.> *yes this is going to get me hate*

But by choosing caldari! you get the best ships imo (hybrids for raw damage or missiles for application of damage) also i think shields > armor personally but that might just be me
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#10 - 2014-12-21 03:14:37 UTC
Lots of silly stuff in this thread. OP, if you want to get into incursions don't bother with missiles and stick to turrets. Also, gallente turret ships (in various flavours) are used quite a bit for shield fit incursions and are preferred over a Rokh due to damage and tracking bonuses. So for what you want to do you're right on track, no need to change your training plan other than training up shield skills.

If you forget about incursions then yes, caldari gunships have been buffed since back then and some of them are really good, but not necessarily for PVE and the Rokh for most forms of PVE is sub-par, to put it mildly. So again, for what you want to achieve you're doing just fine.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2014-12-21 06:49:35 UTC
imo just take a gallente ship and shield tank it anyways. as someone else already said the vindicator is just insane.

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Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#12 - 2014-12-21 15:56:57 UTC
Khao Tulin wrote:
Hi everybody, I'm asking for some advice all my mates play caldari(missiles) and I joined in there corp . I am a gallante pilot training up for a khronos(75days) I'm very heavy in armour tanking and hybrid weapons.now for the problem. We all wish to start doing incursions the corp is also very sheild heavy.as a result I can't really join as is. I'm trying to find out if its worth trying to go in to a caldari gunboat like a rokh. And get the relavent sheild tanking skills. I am worried about doing this and from whe . I used to play on my old toon about 6 years ago hybrids were bad along with the caldari gunboats. Are they better now


Caldari guns are really not that great, unles you are using them in 0.0 for super long range sniper warfare. If you are thinking about running a shield incursion fleet, here would be my training suggestions:

Machariel
Nightmare
Vindicator
Bhallgorn
Kronos is not a bad choice
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#13 - 2014-12-21 17:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenris Orion
I've recently found an infatuation with shield tanking Gallente boats because when done properly you have lost only a small portion of your potential buffer in exchange for tremendous gains in damage output and mobility. Best defense = awesome offense. Also, recent buffs have made railguns the proper ranged king-of-dps that blasters have always been.

If I needed to keep up with shield missile boats in a Gallente battleship, I'd go with a Navy Megathron fit with 425mm railgun II's, invuln/2xLSE's/Ab, a DC and all the damage mods in the lows, and shield rigs. I worked up a fit in Osmium just for fun.

Look at it this way: 7 total slots used for shield tank, and 7 lowslots used for damage output.

https://o.smium.org/loadout/18046
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#14 - 2014-12-22 03:53:40 UTC
the best 2 incs ships are
nightmare
vindi
the night mare useis cal bs and the vindi is hybrids becouse you are skilling kronus go vindi
missls are tarabad in incs even wtm dosent like them

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