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Battleship sized logistics
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Gunrunner1775
Empire Hooligans
#1 - 2014-12-18 04:14:38 UTC
i dont count the Nestor,

am curious why there are not an T1 battleship sized logistics ships.... we have both frigate and cruiser sized...

is it a game ballance issue?? if so i will shut my mouth and walk away quietly and go back to blowing stuff up...
Rendiff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-12-18 04:18:13 UTC
I don't think there is really a need for it. T2 logistics cruisers can rep battleships with no issue and caps rep themselves .

The only way I see a BS logi ship being necessary would be if they nerfed the cruiser sized ones into the ground.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-18 04:23:54 UTC
I think there should be battleship sized logi ships, t2 logi cruisers should be nerfed down to using medium RR.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2014-12-18 04:43:39 UTC
Nerf Logi all around.

How did you Veterans start?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-12-18 04:46:39 UTC
Logi are too powerful as it is.
Gunrunner1775
Empire Hooligans
#6 - 2014-12-18 05:05:34 UTC
perhaps restrict the bonus's to small reps for frigs, med reps for cruisers, then can justify battleship logi...
Jenshae Chiroptera
#7 - 2014-12-18 05:34:12 UTC
Logi as it is now make settling into null sec a lot easier. Don't have all the ships for all the doctrines? No problem. Just train both armour and shield logi and done - all the rest can follow after that.

Some cruisers and battle cruisers use large shield boosters, some logi use large remote repairs - battleship logi with X-large repair that can help capitals as more difficult to hit by capitals, logi - now we are talking. Big smile

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Solj RichPopolous
F I G H T C L U B
H A R D L I N E R S
#8 - 2014-12-18 17:39:35 UTC
Nerf logi nuff said. Tired of people using it as a crutch for their suckiness.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#9 - 2014-12-18 18:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
We don't need more remote reps than we do now. If anything, we need less. I do see some interesting potential for battleship-sized fleet support ship though, but only if they were focused on fleet boosting, not remote repping.

Give them:

1. A Nestor-esque Ship Hangar to allow in-space refits without being able to actually haul assembled ships.
2. A small Fleet Hangar to allow storage of spare ammo, drones, and/or modules.
3. Bonuses to cap transfers, remote sensor boosters, remote tracking comps, projected ECCM, etc. Not remote reps (Logi cruiser's job) and not warfare links (BC's job).
4. A Titan-esque bonus to fleet members, but on a much smaller scale (1-2% per level instead of 7.5%).

I could see these being useful and maybe actually reviving battleship gangs.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2014-12-18 18:20:08 UTC
Gunrunner1775 wrote:
i dont count the Nestor,

You should.
Alexi Komanov
The Kronos Ritual
#11 - 2014-12-18 18:59:12 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
We don't need more remote reps than we do now. If anything, we need less. I do see some interesting potential for battleship-sized fleet support ship though, but only if they were focused on fleet boosting, not remote repping.

Give them:

1. A Nestor-esque Ship Hangar to allow in-space refits without being able to actually haul assembled ships.
2. A small Fleet Hangar to allow storage of spare ammo, drones, and/or modules.
3. Bonuses to cap transfers, remote sensor boosters, remote tracking comps, projected ECCM, etc. Not remote reps (Logi cruiser's job) and not warfare links (BC's job).
4. A Titan-esque bonus to fleet members, but on a much smaller scale (1-2% per level instead of 7.5%).

I could see these being useful and maybe actually reviving battleship gangs.


A good idea but aren't the problems with battleship gangs due more to their poor tracking and scan resolution?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2014-12-18 19:01:23 UTC
Alexi Komanov wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
We don't need more remote reps than we do now. If anything, we need less. I do see some interesting potential for battleship-sized fleet support ship though, but only if they were focused on fleet boosting, not remote repping.

Give them:

1. A Nestor-esque Ship Hangar to allow in-space refits without being able to actually haul assembled ships.
2. A small Fleet Hangar to allow storage of spare ammo, drones, and/or modules.
3. Bonuses to cap transfers, remote sensor boosters, remote tracking comps, projected ECCM, etc. Not remote reps (Logi cruiser's job) and not warfare links (BC's job).
4. A Titan-esque bonus to fleet members, but on a much smaller scale (1-2% per level instead of 7.5%).

I could see these being useful and maybe actually reviving battleship gangs.


A good idea but aren't the problems with battleship gangs due more to their poor tracking and scan resolution?


Its more to do with the myths about them being too slow to roam.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-12-18 19:10:06 UTC
Gunrunner1775 wrote:
perhaps restrict the bonus's to small reps for frigs, med reps for cruisers, then can justify battleship logi...

excellent idea; currently you can fit large reps on t1 shield logi like the osprey without too much trouble, and it outperforms the basilisk in rep amount and range. It just doesn't have the tank.

The main issue facing implementation of battleship logi is cost; they currently cost a quite a bit more than t2 cruiser logi despite the better insurance, and while they'd be more useful due to the stronk tank and low SP reqs, their sheer size would make them cumbersome. Although, if they had a big range bonus and long lock range, their usability with mjd would be interesting.
Gunrunner1775
Empire Hooligans
#14 - 2014-12-18 20:00:03 UTC
i like whats being said, quite a spread of view points some yea / some nay...gotten more info via talkin with folks in game then on the boards..

overall most that i have talked to are in the boat of minor nurf to cruiser sized logi and then add in battleship sized logi... a few folks want another nestor style ship that does remote shield rep and uses drones..
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-12-18 20:40:53 UTC
Solj RichPopolous wrote:
Nerf logi nuff said. Tired of people using it as a crutch for their suckiness.

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Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-12-18 20:47:44 UTC
NO to everyone saying logistics ships need to be nerfed

yeah I like the idea of BS and BC sized EWAR, Logi and Support. just leave them with awful lock speed and week buffers / resistances.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#17 - 2014-12-18 21:02:14 UTC
Alexi Komanov wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
We don't need more remote reps than we do now. If anything, we need less. I do see some interesting potential for battleship-sized fleet support ship though, but only if they were focused on fleet boosting, not remote repping.

Give them:

1. A Nestor-esque Ship Hangar to allow in-space refits without being able to actually haul assembled ships.
2. A small Fleet Hangar to allow storage of spare ammo, drones, and/or modules.
3. Bonuses to cap transfers, remote sensor boosters, remote tracking comps, projected ECCM, etc. Not remote reps (Logi cruiser's job) and not warfare links (BC's job).
4. A Titan-esque bonus to fleet members, but on a much smaller scale (1-2% per level instead of 7.5%).

I could see these being useful and maybe actually reviving battleship gangs.


A good idea but aren't the problems with battleship gangs due more to their poor tracking and scan resolution?

That would be why I included the items bolded above. ;^)

baltec1 wrote:
Its more to do with the myths about them being too slow to roam.

The fastest roaming battleships will always roam more slowly than the fastest roaming cruisers. Whether you choose to fit for fastest roaming or not is another matter entirely. Blink

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