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Titan tracking... isnt time to nerf it back a bit so they aint track as a Battleship??
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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#1 - 2011-12-17 11:19:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Trin Javidan
like in here

Its annoying and ********, who still haves the biggest super blob wins. Who needs support if u cant counter drop them with supers?
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#2 - 2011-12-17 11:21:54 UTC
Your link is broken.

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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#3 - 2011-12-17 11:31:24 UTC
"so they ain't track as a battleship"? Sorry, I don't even know what you're trying to say.

BSs are 100m, titans are tens of billions. Of course a super heavy fleet will melt a BS fleet that isn't at least 5x its size (which can't happen BC of lag).

The real issue is that lighter mobile fleets are useless in regards to the sov system, but hopefully that will change.
Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2011-12-17 11:49:09 UTC
mechtech wrote:
Of course a super heavy fleet will melt a BS fleet that isn't at least 5x its size (which can't happen BC of lag).

Devs have said repeatedly that they don't want them killing Battleships. They want them killing Capital Ships as a dedicated Anti-Capital Platform. That is why they took away ability to put remote Tracking and Remote Sensor Boosters on them as well as shifted DD's to Capitol Only Weapons and took away Non Fighter Drones for Super Carriers.

As for the OP I really have no idea, I have yet to have the pleasure of having my BS popped by a Titan.
Verloc Nostromo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-17 11:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Verloc Nostromo
He is meaning to link to a battle report of a PL super fleet that melted one of our sub cap fleets in LGK. Where the PL super fleet was out numbered but still killed a lot of ships in a short time for very little return damage. If you look at the KM's for the battle you will see that a very high percentage of the kills were not by the PL subcaps, but by the titans and SC's.
But i could be mistaken.

This battle the OP refers to I think *you will need to copy/paste, the eve forum doesn't seem to like linking the report for some reason*
http://www.a-killed.me/?a=kill_related2&kll_id=582605
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#6 - 2011-12-17 12:24:32 UTC
Well, i'm in a very good position at the moment to say to you that in order for a Titan to track as well as a Battleship™ you need to absolutely butcher the fitting.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#7 - 2011-12-17 13:06:49 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Well, i'm in a very good position at the moment to say to you that in order for a Titan to track as well as a Battleship™ you need to absolutely butcher the fitting.


Maybe true, but it doesnt matter they are still invinceble subcap pwning mobiles. The side with the bigges super blob wins as u dont need subcaps and bringing small super fleet vs the big super fleet is suicidel. Non technetium moon holding alliances cant affort welping fleets like that after the more expensive sov change.
Sandrestal
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
#8 - 2011-12-17 13:37:55 UTC
Wait, wut? I thought last expansion nerfed titans so they could not hit anything under cap size.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#9 - 2011-12-17 13:57:03 UTC
Sandrestal wrote:
Wait, wut? I thought last expansion nerfed titans so they could not hit anything under cap size.


Guess what.... they failed

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Tore Vest
#10 - 2011-12-17 14:03:35 UTC
Oh... my.....

Here we go again...

Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa...

No troll.
bornaa
GRiD.
#11 - 2011-12-17 14:06:13 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
Oh... my.....

Here we go again...

Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa...


About this...
I would be ok that it can be lucky and hit BS.
But no BC.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
URDEAD2ME
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-12-17 14:11:00 UTC
bornaa wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
Oh... my.....

Here we go again...

Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa...


About this...
I would be ok that it can be lucky and hit BS.
But no BC.



http://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=582549
well erm thats not a bc or bs and they still hit it when it had transversal and was orbiting .

point is there tracking is op .
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
#13 - 2011-12-17 14:12:42 UTC
The problem is in the tracking mechanics. While explosion radius means everything in missiles ability to hit ships, turret resolution in the end means very little in tracking. As long as the target is under the tracking speed of your guns (which is really easy especially at 20km+ ranges) it doesnt matter how small the targets radius is compared to your resolution you will hit, even though they might be a little worse hits.

Especially with the titan having 10,000dps it doesnt matter how bad your hits are, even if you only "barely scratch" you will do 5,000dps.
MrJohn Shaft
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-17 14:28:55 UTC
You sound bitter that your 2 Large Shield Extender Drake with MWD (running or not) was hit by multiple Titans with nothing but tracking mods (aka no tank)

Sorry, Drakes are awesome but they can't just beat everything! There needs to be some balance!
Tore Vest
#15 - 2011-12-17 14:29:33 UTC
Remove all supers from game.
And....
Nerf drakes Lol

No troll.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#16 - 2011-12-17 14:42:26 UTC
MrJohn Shaft wrote:
You sound bitter that your 2 Large Shield Extender Drake with MWD (running or not) was hit by multiple Titans with nothing but tracking mods (aka no tank)

Sorry, Drakes are awesome but they can't just beat everything! There needs to be some balance!


I dont see that titan fit, can u pls show me where it is?

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
MrJohn Shaft
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-17 14:47:14 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
MrJohn Shaft wrote:
You sound bitter that your 2 Large Shield Extender Drake with MWD (running or not) was hit by multiple Titans with nothing but tracking mods (aka no tank)

Sorry, Drakes are awesome but they can't just beat everything! There needs to be some balance!


I dont see that titan fit, can u pls show me where it is?


What do you mean you dont see that Titan fit? Where are you looking?
Ira Theos
#18 - 2011-12-17 15:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ira Theos
EVE borked?

No, no way! EVE is perfect. Didn't you know?

Imagine that.

LolLolLol



(Note to CCP: EVE now rates -1 out of 10 on all game review boards Attention You've earned it. Merry Christmas.)
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#19 - 2011-12-17 15:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Tore Vest wrote:
Oh... my.....

Here we go again...

Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa...


not only bs but they killed bunch of naga's too and they are really small sig radius...

the problem is the tracking... just make the siege mod tracking nerf built into the guns and you should be fine...

tbh pl are probs using expensive implants mixed with tracking boosters mixed with faction/officer tracking enhancers/comps...

i mean a titan hitting a destroyer?!?!?1 lol

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-17 15:38:52 UTC
Pro-tip: Bring your own cap ships. Yes it does work, just because you out number the enemy 100 to 1 in smaller ships, if they have 1 ship equal to your 100 (lets not forget even if the number of people is equal on both sides, cap ships are a FORCE MULTIPLIER making you outnumbered as well) AND they put in the time to train for it, to aquire the isk to purchase it (including mats, POS fuel, time spent in the oven baking and general amount of effort involved to build the biggest badass ships in EVE) then yes they should be kicking you ass if you bring hundreds of cheaper ships just because you choose to stop at BS 4/5, large Turret 4, and prefer to fly smaller ships most of the time.

God I am sick and tired of the complaining/whining/btching on the boards of "Wha! Wha! He has a bigger ship and killed me BUT I feel entitled/deserve/COMBO-BREAKER destroy that titan just because I brought hundreds of my own friends in frigs/cruiser/BS and they can't hit me....oh wait!!!!!" Unless you plan some brilliant tactic around killing cap ships with hundreds of thousands of rifters before DT, then stop wimping out with the smaller ships and bring some big guns of your own.
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