Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Now to answer a few of the comments/questions I can easily predict...

This doesn't actually prevent me from being exploited like a candy-hungry child by these buggers!

I know, as I said the point is more to provide a balance and real consequences to their actions in a way that is more in the "indy style" than only having the option of grabbing guns and playing their way. Better to fight dumb with smart than just more dumb. At the end of the day AFK autopiloting should carry some risk, even in high-sec, but also no-one should be able to pop defenseless indy ships in high-sec relatively risk-free for hours/days/weeks on end without suffering some consequences. Being slowly blacklisted by almost everyone in high/low-sec for being a universal tosser - and having that possibly haunt you for your toon's entire lifespan - is simply "social" justice...and isn't that what EVE is all about - being "social".

Couldn't this create a market duality where there's low prices and lots of supply for the good guys, but limited supply and outrageous prices for the wicked?

Absolutely! I would consider this half the point and an excellent way to boost profits for the independent or unscrupulous indy, which is all fair game. Even so, with limited demand and exorbitant pricing probably creating an effective barrier against enjoyable gameplay for the heathens, it becomes only an instance of "turnabout is fair play". This tilts the cost/benefit of the action to bring balance to an unbalanced situation. Corps and Alliances can even band together to effectively create a new age of market warfare, seeding areas with cheap/plentiful gear for their friends that their enemies can't touch. Hopefully a large portion of the enemy is discouraged over time from this kind of cheap, unimaginative tactic once they have to actually deal with supplying themselves on their own.

The market will just end up being empty in vast areas for most!

Again, more likely independants, alts and those actively involved in the NPC-side of the game will fill most of the gap. This idea is more about creating consequence and allowing it to be directed by the players seeking some form of retribution in a way that doesn't involve PVP. I think this and ideas like it broaden the game and make the gameplay more vibrant. Also, I think most orders will be set only to avoid those marked red/orange. So unless your generally disliked throughout the universe, you should be able to find gear - just maybe not in your favorite hunting ground.

"M0aR In-DEE TeaRs!" "You'll ruin EVE if you hurt my ganking" "[insert rage, rage, veiled racism] ROFLcopter, [My corp/alliance/coalition/etc]4Lyfe"

Must be scary to see an idea that might see you on the end of some rightly deserved butt-hurt you can't do much about? Unfortunately, when you can't exploit a situation unfairly or just plain shoot your way out you are clearly the kind of person who still can't figure out what people are talking about when they say "in a battle of wits you are sadly unarmed" smile and walk away. I encourage well-though reasons this idea would be bad and hopefully suggestions to improve or alternate methods of allowing indies to fight back against the oppressive tyranny of these wankers in a way that "uniquely indy". Anything else is just helping bump this post.

Interesting that you did not include "People will just use trader alts, like pretty much every single ganker is doing already" as a question/comment you can easily predict. Especially as you posted:

So, in short, it won't change anything.

Considering your entire 'idea' appears to be nothing more than a rage post filled with tears and name calling...

Why should I take this seriously? Why should I take you seriously? Are you sure you're playing the right game?



Yeah, OK.

I'm with the others, alts make it pretty pointless.

On top of that though, most traders wouldn't use it. If I've just been ganked by someone, why would I want to further damage myself by passing up on a trade which brings me profit? Especially since it just means he'll go to whatever the next order is which probably won't be much difference to him. I'd rather the ganker paid me profit.

To be quite honest, if someone did gank me, I'd probably chuck them a mail seeing if they want to buy a bulk lot of gank ships with fittings.

Doesn't everybody, not just gankers, use trader alts?

Certainly -10 gankers probably do as they can't move their goods at all in highsec, so why would they buy them with the gank character?

Not only this, but I imagine such filtering is technically too demanding. If the powers-that-be can't efficiently filter out margin trading scam orders because it would break the trading server with lag, then I don't think they will be able to implement some sort of lock out based on a user-defined list.

Probably you should just focus on protecting your stuff while traveling in highsec (as you are suppose to) instead of dreaming up some sort of revenge against those that took advantage of your lapse in judgement.

Rather than proposing silly changes that are easily bypassed, perhaps you should get into the business of manufacturing and selling Catalysts, Talos's (Talosi?), and Tornadoes.

As someone with a highsec market alt, I support this idea.

Yes, the more the whiney highsec carebears refuse to sell to gankers in their butthurt rage, the more I will make taking up the slack.

So, please, more ideas that will hurt highsec carebears while making me more isk.

"Taloses" - no i, no apostrophe.

VIDEO of OP.

I think there could be an effective economic warfare mechanic. It would have to be a kind of "tar-baby" such that trading with the embargoed alliance or corporation would result in the alt also being embargoed, whether by market order or contract. That's how sanctions and embargoes often work. Like wardecs - the more allies the more effective. It could make Eve a much more interesting game...