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Data sites buffed? Hmmm...

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-11-16 00:18:47 UTC
Agreed, data sites in null are still a total joke and not worth the time to scan them down. You are better off mining ice in hisec.
Noferatu
Academy of Arms Distribution and Manufacturing
#22 - 2014-11-16 09:53:30 UTC
dexington wrote:
They should just add a chance for data sites dropping the components needed to build story line items, that would actually make data sites more valuable and make story line items more accessible to everyone.

While i'm sure the handful of people who currently farm the cosmos sites don't agree, tough luck the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.



The new Sleeper Cache sites are already doing this.
Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-11-18 17:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Samuel Wess
I miss the old mechanics where sigs were limited, involved effort and pvp skills to defend them. Now its just breadcrumbs everywhere and 0 social interaction required to play. I enjoy the traffic that provides a better income from kills than before.

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"

Nemah Xadi
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-11-19 11:01:04 UTC
Noferatu wrote:
dexington wrote:
They should just add a chance for data sites dropping the components needed to build story line items, that would actually make data sites more valuable and make story line items more accessible to everyone.

While i'm sure the handful of people who currently farm the cosmos sites don't agree, tough luck the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.



The new Sleeper Cache sites are already doing this.


They did add them to data sites, I found a 5m storyline component in a data site today. First one I've seen in dozens of data sites so the drop rate is very low. They're more common in the sleeper sites.
Signal11th
#25 - 2014-12-15 15:47:53 UTC
I have to say I don't even bother with Data sites any more they are just not worth the effort or time.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Orlacc
#26 - 2014-12-15 17:36:08 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Agreed, data sites in null are still a total joke and not worth the time to scan them down. You are better off mining ice in hisec.



This. I don't even equip the Data Analyzer anymore

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-12-16 16:25:28 UTC
I did 10 sites in null without problems, came back to hisec with hard earned 200.000 isk...
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#28 - 2014-12-16 18:49:12 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I did 10 sites in null without problems, came back to hisec with hard earned 200.000 isk...

You did 10 sites? 200.000 ISK? Hard to believe. Not a single decryptor or pack of datacores?

Data sites in null are worth less than 6 mil usually (i earned more in lowsec sites few months ago). Changing volume was a good thing. Uniting decryptors was obvious nerf despite the invention changes in Phoebe. Racial material are too rare i didn't hit single one. Datacores can be obtained from other sources (can anybody confirmed this).
Overall sites are less worth that they were. It's just cargo scanning for BPC.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#29 - 2014-12-17 18:29:40 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:

Overall sites are less worth that they were. It's just cargo scanning for BPC.


Yup, that's basically what I do at the moment. I just scan for BPCs and ignore the rest. Sure, I'm misisng out on a few mil per site, but I can run a LOT more sites in shorter time.
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-12-20 10:29:55 UTC
Team Space Glitter - Response Requested Please

So to provide some post-Phoebe metrics, and reflect on the changes from the "All that is gold does not glitter" Devblog.

I came across a neglected C2 wormhole that was chock full of the various Pirate Data Sites. It took me 90 minutes to scan everything down, and complete all 6 of the sites. There was a good mix of Guristas, Serpentis, Blood Raiders and Angel sites - 2 Sparking Transmitters, at least 2 Surveys. My character had an Astero with Level 4 Hacking skills and no implants, so not above average, and I did fail a few containers. I picked up ALL the loot except for Carbon, and made one trip back to drop it off in between finishing all the sites.

This is what I finished with for loot - http://evepraisal.com/e/4296168

So 35.29 Million ISK valued in 250.83 m3 for 6 sites, in 90 minutes. That's 23.5M ISK/Hour, or 5.8 Million ISK average per site. This isn't a very accurate metric because you'll usually have to explore and scan a LOT more to find enough sites to be constantly doing them for an hour straight. This would be closer to the theoretical maximum.

Extracting out everything but the Datacores and Decryptors, the total value was 33M, which took up 35.52 m3. That means that 215.31 m3 was only worth 2.29M ISK, and would typically just be thrown away as it isn't worth carrying.

So some feedback on the changes:

  • The ISK/Hour for Data sites is still significantly lower than Relic Sites. The average ISK per site is 5.8 Million ISK, compared to 18-20 Million for each Relic Site.

  • The reduced m3 for all the Data site items is definitely helping, as you can run more sites before you fill up.

  • The added Industrial Goods (High-Tech Data Chip, High-Tech Scanner, etc) and the Faction Materials (Force Cable, Electronic Link, etc) are still fairly worthless as they have limited options to build from. Data Interfaces were the main manufacturing components for the Faction Materials, and now that they have been removed from the game, the only thing to build with them is COSMOS/Storyline items.


The new Sleeper Cache sites are providing some of the COSMOS/Storyline blueprints for using these items, but the ISK value and the m3 doesn't make them worth picking up most of the time. I am glad we are getting new Exploration content in the way of these sites, but please don't forget to continue iterating on Data Sites to make them good options for explorers.

Thanks!
module565
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-12-20 23:34:17 UTC  |  Edited by: module565
Maybe they broke it? I found a sansha medium tower BPC in a HS data site :D so data sites are worth it now it seems atleast in HS anyway.

I made a post to see if anyone else has encountered the issue

I spent a good year and few months in null and never found one structure BPC mostly did relic/datas all day.

I have more luck in low and now it seems High sec is where the shiney stuff is at baby lol BlinkBlink
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