Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Morale is somethign a militia can gain from flipping a system even if it's at the far ass end of the galaxy. "Meatgrinder systems would completely prevent the morale buildup required for people to be able to make the harder pushes happen.

The warzone is not supposed to be trench warfare, it's supposed to be contested and in flux at all time and your proposition removes this. The side that gets hammered into a corner would be stuck there for many more months only ever pushing when the other side gets completely bored out of defending. The side with close to no system also ususally have low income which means less pilots ready to field the required ships to make bash happens. You can throw and infinite number of t1 frigs at a i-hub, the opposing side will only have to win 1 PLEX while you bash and your progress gets lost. Under your systems, the best way for the losing side to get anything would be to leave faction warfare to get their money back from elsewhere and they might not comeback which mean that militia lost a chuck of pilots while the other side is rolling in LPs to fund what little losses they get.

Failscade seems to be offtopic, as it is happeneing not only in FW. Changes might even better this.
Corps and Alliances have to hold their members or get them to another place with a rosy future. Not blame the unsuccesful campaign on them, as there is a high chance it was just the strength of the enemy. if the FW mechanics are "updated", failscading corps can join FW for some time to regroup, find friends and then head out again.

i still believe in the usefulness of OP's suggestions.
except that i like complexes to level up on completion.

If you have to end your arguments in "lol this guy" I don't think there's much call for me to rebut your statements.

I'd argue that the very nature of FW makes it difficult to perceive whether one is making a difference, but that's a more fundamental issue with FW itself which needs to be tackled at some point. I accept the validity of your viewpoint in this instance, however.


That's true, but the problem is that in the big picture, one system captured this way doesn't really provide anything other than bragging rights (which is certainly a valid goal for a corporation in isolation).

I think a more fundamental issue we've got to address here is that Factional Warfare is a huge game of capture the flag with no discernable victory or failure conditions (notice that other than bragging rights and a high LP tier, the Amarr militia don't really gain anything from having conquered the entire Minmatar warzone) thus raising difficulty discerning the value of actions taken within the context of it.

The two problems here are:

a. If they wanted it to be purely a system for the generation of easy PvP, they should remove system capture and its connection to the game's lore entirely
b. it's not even actually working very well as a system for the generation of easy PvP

The fact that Red vs. Blue and Brave Newbies, two entirely player-based initiatives, do what factional warfare does better than factional warfare should really tell CCP all they need to know.

1. This is the 80% de facto state anyways. "Front Lines" already exist where players actually live. This is due to station lockouts. The ability of one side to do "guerrilla warfare", however, is an important release valve for when one side dominates the other.
2. Doesn't really matter. Entities will defend where they live, and will let the non-home systems go to higher contested levels. Same as now. Makes it more difficult to take the entire warzone because with each system taken you add another system you must deplex due to "NPC action" instead of "afk farmer action"
3. Sure, why not? Doesn't fundamentally change FW. Plexes will still be more efficiently run by smaller ships.
4. Gives an extremely unfair advantage to the Caldari because there are ZERO non-Caldari station in Black Rise.

Anyways, none of these suggestions except No. 4 changes the nature of FW - and No. 4 is simply not fair nor balanced due to the nature of the FW map.

No. He is generally dismissive but I believe it he is referring to your ideas being unsuitable.

I disagree.

It needs implementation of some gradual changes (with time allowed to observe the impact) starting with a balancing of LP payouts that either do not rely on Tier bonus's or benefit from much slimmer rewards.

All changes made need to be inclusive, not exclusive of the player base and by that I mean the various play styles that FW attracts.

FW in my vision promotes ship on ship interaction (PvP) but does not exclude other types (including PvE) of play.
I think it is right to have a reward system (that benefits casual play) to make it a self-sustaining career choice.
I think it will benefit from a reward (notional rather than isk/LP based) for sticking to a Faction and performing a Miitia's duty.
I think the rewards, titles, discounts, etc should be weighted 60/40 towards the PvP aspect.


There is a lot FW offers and it is also one of the only zones in the game that the likes of PIE, Ushra'khan and other RP can blossom.

For me. I'm motivated by two things:

1. I have resubbed another 6months and I will only be online in short random sessions. I want fun during that time. So the casual gameplay must be supported and enhanced.
2. I want to see smart game design that is built about enhancing enjoyment for all play styles, including eliminating unnecessary dull chores & robustly blocks exploit of resources by those with no interest in the gameplay in the zone but only in the resources that it pays out.

Number 2. Can be fixed easily by balancing payouts from excessive Tier bonus's to LP rewards and perhaps a tinker here and there.

Number 1. might be tougher but, it's not far off being achieved, the biggest bugbear is that FW now needs a big repopulation due to a large departure of both players to other space games and players leaving in frustration at the system enhancing isk-farming.

But the problem is apart from station docking rights (which, unfortunately, have outright no relevance to a lot of systems in FW) and the vague interaction with cloning (now irrelevant since clone grades have been removed - not that that's a bad thing!) and industry (now irrelevant because slots don't exist) it pretty much doesn't mean anything. Back when I was in the FDU, there were only four systems of any real relevance to me - Nennamaila, the FDU staging system in Black Rise, Heydieles, the FDU staging system in Essence and Intaki, my corporation's home system. Sure, on an intellectual level I didn't want STPRO capturing any system, but there was no actual strategic benefit to holding any system I didn't have a personal interest in (and vice versa, which meant there was pretty much no reason for anyone to help me secure Intaki).