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Luna Ironmind
#1 - 2014-12-16 04:15:17 UTC
Is it possible for others to steal from my courior package while they are transporting it and turn it in without penalty? I want someone to move a plex and a few other items for me, but im afraid to lose it.

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#2 - 2014-12-16 04:25:33 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
Is it possible for others to steal from my courior package while they are transporting it and turn it in without penalty? I want someone to move a plex and a few other items for me, but im afraid to lose it.

My understanding is that you can't add/take from plastic wrap (a courier package) without breaking it.

Breaking it means the contract fails, and you keep the collateral you set.

If you want someone to move a plex, then you better set that collateral sky-high otherwise they'll just steal everything in it from you.

That said, why do you want to move a plex? You can use them remotely, so they're best kept where they are and never moved.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-16 04:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
Yes, a courier can peek into the contents of your package and, if they are so inclined, steal the contents and fail the contract. This is why you must set a collateral which is higher than the ISK value of the items being moved.

For PLEX, it depends on what you're doing. If you bought some online and want to sell them for ISK, you should wait until you are at Jita (or whichever hub) to redeem them. If you want to activate the PLEX for game time, MTC, etc. then you can do that from anywhere using your Assets tab. Unless you're buying and reselling for profit, you shouldn't ever have to move a PLEX.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-12-16 04:29:15 UTC
Yes and no.
They can steal from your courier package, but when they do they can no longer turn it in and so they forfeit the collateral. (Also, they don't get the reward.) Which is why it's important to set your collateral higher than the value of the items.

However, it is much easier to find haulers for a collateral below 1 billion than above. (Mostly because that's about the cost of suicide ganking a freighter.)

And as PLEX can be used from any system, even if you aren't in it, there are usually better ways than hauling to deal with an out-of-place PLEX.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-16 04:29:25 UTC
Taking anything breaks the contract. Always set the collateral above the value of the items so if/when the contract fails you will profit$$

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Luna Ironmind
#6 - 2014-12-16 04:37:20 UTC
How likely is the plex to be intercepted?

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2014-12-16 04:44:52 UTC
I think the real question here is "why do you want it moved?"

Can't you use it remotely?

How did you Veterans start?
Ellen Madullier
Savage Moon Society
#8 - 2014-12-16 04:46:35 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
How likely is the plex to be intercepted?


Some people take courier contracts like they are pull tabs. Twisted

All it takes is to forget a 0 at the end of the collateral you set and they win!

Otherwise they will have to try and deliver it to you. Or they lose their collateral and you can buy another PLEX from where you are at. Bear

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2014-12-16 05:38:55 UTC
The key is, set your collateral to 115% of the value of what you are hauling.

Then, worst case scenario, the goods get there OK. Best case scenario, the hauler gets ganked, fails the contract, and you make some serious ISK.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-12-16 05:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Luna Ironmind wrote:
How likely is the plex to be intercepted?

Highly. Particularly now that you have stated you're intentions Publicly.

If it has to be done , do it yourself or on an anonymous alt in an interceptor or a Leopard immediately after downtime when the servers are starting to take connections. And have instant undock and docking bookmarks in both the station you are leaving from and the destination.

I'll reiterat though, transporting plex is a terrible idea .

You are essentially turning yourself into the most efficient isk per hour activity in New Eden while carrying it.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#11 - 2014-12-16 06:02:37 UTC
Wherever the PLEX is, bring it up in your assets tab, right click it and choose 'use remotely'. You can use it to add game time or activate dual character training without being near it.

If someone has placed an abnormally high buy order for a PLEX in a station somewhere, IT'S A TRAP.

I'm not allowed to link killmails in this forum, but I have seen several killmails where 10 or more PLEX were blown up because some idiot decided to undock with them in their cargo.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-12-16 14:29:26 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
If it has to be done , do it yourself

Disagree! Let someone else take the risk. Use a contract.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-12-16 14:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Luna Ironmind wrote:
Is it possible for others to steal from my courior package while they are transporting it and turn it in without penalty? I want someone to move a plex and a few other items for me, but im afraid to lose it.


No.

The moment someone makes ANY change to a courier package (so anything other then opening it to look inside) it automattically makes it impossible to even complete the contract and thus you will get the collateral on the courier contract.

This is also the only reason why you ALWAYS should make it so that the collateral is more then the value of the items in the courier contract. This way, if someone steals the item(s), they lose money instead of gain money.

Also take another thing into consideration with setting a collateral other then the value of the item, it's the value of your time.
If it would take a lot of time to get that item back and in the place you want it, increase the collateral a bit more. This is so if you do have to get the item again and move it again, your time spent is also "paid for".

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-12-16 14:44:05 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
If it has to be done , do it yourself

Disagree! Let someone else take the risk. Use a contract.


This.

Why do boring hauling yourself and risk what you have, when it's just as easy as contacting one of the frogs (Red/Blue/Black Frog) and let them do the boring and risky part.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-12-16 14:45:12 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Wherever the PLEX is, bring it up in your assets tab, right click it and choose 'use remotely'. You can use it to add game time or activate dual character training without being near it.

If someone has placed an abnormally high buy order for a PLEX in a station somewhere, IT'S A TRAP.

I'm not allowed to link killmails in this forum, but I have seen several killmails where 10 or more PLEX were blown up because some idiot decided to undock with them in their cargo.


Let me guess...

You are talking about a certain person, trying to move 11 PLEX from Amarr to Jita in a shuttle.

Only to be the person who gave someone a very generous X-mas gift in Jita.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-12-16 23:47:43 UTC
The thing with PLEX is people also want them for the street cred of having a PLEX on a killmail. So even moving them in a freighter that will cost more to gank then the PLEX is worth is not safe.

There are channels I monitor where any ship scanned carrying PLEX gets announced immediately with something along the lines of "hey some idiot is transporting 2 PLEX in a leopard, just left Perimeter heading Amarr way".

You can try and hide the fact that you are carrying PLEX by flying a Blockade Runner or "double wrapping" the consignment or you can make yourself very hard to catch with a Covops frigate or interceptor but as stated above its not really worth the risk.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#17 - 2014-12-17 00:54:25 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The thing with PLEX is people also want them for the street cred of having a PLEX on a killmail. So even moving them in a freighter that will cost more to gank then the PLEX is worth is not safe.

There are channels I monitor where any ship scanned carrying PLEX gets announced immediately with something along the lines of "hey some idiot is transporting 2 PLEX in a leopard, just left Perimeter heading Amarr way".

You can try and hide the fact that you are carrying PLEX by flying a Blockade Runner or "double wrapping" the consignment or you can make yourself very hard to catch with a Covops frigate or interceptor but as stated above its not really worth the risk.



Adding to this, I have placed PLEX inside trap courier contracts (e.g. a freighter sized parcel with a single PLEX, 90 million units of tritanium, and some random bad deadspace or officer modules) and sent them from hub to hub with extreme collaterals, hoping someone will cargo scan the freighter, see a PLEX and blue/purple modules and organise a gank.

The PLEX attracts attention in a way that a billion ISK worth of any other commodity (say 20000 Photon Microprocessors) just doesn't.

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Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#18 - 2014-12-17 01:48:35 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
Is it possible for others to steal from my courior package while they are transporting it and turn it in without penalty? I want someone to move a plex and a few other items for me, but im afraid to lose it.


Yes, it's very possible. Use red frog courier service.

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Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-12-17 16:11:14 UTC
Luna Ironmind wrote:
Is it possible for others to steal from my courior package while they are transporting it and turn it in without penalty? I want someone to move a plex and a few other items for me, but im afraid to lose it.



never ever ever ever ever ever move a plex
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#20 - 2014-12-17 20:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
For what it is worth, when I move PLEX (rare) I put A SINGLE PLEX in a freighter with nothing else.

One can use a covert ship, but then you have to hope you don't lag or get disconnected.

I typically set courier contract collateral at value or value + 10%, because that's easy to check and calculate.
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