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Is hisec exploration not worth it?

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Ellen Madullier
Savage Moon Society
#21 - 2014-12-15 14:21:32 UTC
I found one of those weird sleeper cache data sites in highsec. I got a weird faction cloak BPC from it. Other than that, I've not had any good data or relic loot from high or lowsec. My hacking and archaeology skills are at IV and I have the hardwirings for archaeology I can open about.. 90% of null and wormhole site containers.

The loot is random, I've seen little like a few million all the way over one hundred million from one relic site. I run data sites when I find them but I feel like relic pays better. Bear

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Dracones
Tarsis Inc
#22 - 2014-12-15 16:06:06 UTC
As another option, if you want to stay in hisec space for whatever reasons but hate the overcrowding there are many pockets of hisec surrounded by lowsec that very few people call home. I used to live in Solitude and now live in another region and am surrounded by lowsec which keeps out the bears.

There are some logistics issues. You usually have to run to "proper" hisec to do your shopping and now and again the gate to hisec will be camped. But if that area becomes your permanent home you quickly pick up on the problem spots and learn ways to detect/avoid the camps.

Also when you get to the point where you want to stretch your wings on lowsec, the exit points of your low pop hisec will rarely be camped because it's just not worth the time to do so. So it makes for a pretty easy crawl down the back pipes.

But in either case you really need to spend some time to figure out where you want to call home. Different regions and areas all have their own personalities.
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-12-15 17:29:51 UTC
Just scanning and hacking in HS can bring me around 30 millions of ISK per night. If I was a miner I would maybe consider mining relic sites. Everyone says they dont pay much in terms of hacking, but no one really mentions the Plagioclase and Scordite some of these sites have. Single ghost site can yield another 30 millions for couple of seconds hacking.


If you start peeking into wormholes you will start pulling hundreds of millions with acceptable risk.

The limited sleeper caches someone mentioned are good for more advanced player who has decent probing hacking skills and can either put up tanky fit or fly safe around those damage clouds and explosives.
Cassie Celestis
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-12-16 16:46:04 UTC
Typical exploration site grinding in Hi-Sec is not worth it, if you compare it to Low/Null as others mentioned before. Unless of course you are betting on the covert ops or sleeper sites, both of which are rare. Average income from Data/Relic hunting (and the occasional rare ones) in HS nets about 20-50mil per day with relevant skills at lvl3-4.

For Hi Sec I would suggest focusing mainly in combat sites and anomalies. Get a cruiser you can fly with decent skills and skip any lvl1 sites since you cant use the gate in most. Damage and tank fit it depending on the rats you fight of course. Bounties will get you an average income of 5-20mil per day. Drops are a gamble with huge margins.

Typical lower end faction or deadspace drops will get you 1-10mil per site. If you get lucky with the loot fairy this goes up to 50-250mil per site. (At least my top was about 250. Could be more). And of course if you get a good escalation you may roll higher, getting up to 400mil drops. Escalations/Expeditions are the main reason you should do anomalies btw.

Note that you could get lvl5 escalations from Hi-Sec sites which are hard for a new pilot and need good skills and a good combat ship.
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-12-16 20:03:59 UTC
Cassie Celestis wrote:

Note that you could get lvl5 escalations from Hi-Sec sites which are hard for a new pilot and need good skills and a good combat ship.


Not to mention it is likely going to be in lowsec, so check your Eve maps and don't hang around too long if the system is occupied.

You can also look for lowsec sites while you are there...

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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-12-16 22:46:02 UTC
Thank you for all the helpful advice, it has really helped me progress. Unfortunately a trial account can't train cloak, so my trip to lowsec has been delayed, fortunately I have timed my trial account to time out past Christmas so I'll definitely have some $ for PLEX. In the mean time I'm sending an application to EVE UNI and hopefully get taught the things I need to know.

"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner

Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-12-18 03:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Quattras Peione
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
Thank you for all the helpful advice, it has really helped me progress. Unfortunately a trial account can't train cloak, so my trip to lowsec has been delayed, fortunately I have timed my trial account to time out past Christmas so I'll definitely have some $ for PLEX. In the mean time I'm sending an application to EVE UNI and hopefully get taught the things I need to know.

A trial account can't CovOps cloak. You can fit a Prototype Cloaking Device I to any ship out there, mate.

Eve Uni is an excellent place to start. Beyond that one can find plenty of "teaching" corps dedicated to one specialty or another. I recommend time with RvB to any new player, and of course suggest time in Stay Frosty as it's open enrollment and all of the oldbros are willing to help the newbros.

As for the Data/Relic Site exploration, I think you'll find null exploration to be the best risk/reward balance. I live in a very hostile lowsec system and have comfortably run sites in my neighborhood but haven't noticed the payout to be significantly better than highsec sites. While some nullsec sites spawn in wormholes, the increased risk of being in w-space combined with the number of sites that you won't be able to touch (most explorers can't take on Sleepers without re-shipping) means you're losing out in the end. Null sites, though, pay out consistently better. As has been pointed out, though, if you want to run anomalies for ISK then your best bet is probably going to be in combat sites.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-12-18 19:44:10 UTC
Quattras Peione wrote:
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
Thank you for all the helpful advice, it has really helped me progress. Unfortunately a trial account can't train cloak, so my trip to lowsec has been delayed, fortunately I have timed my trial account to time out past Christmas so I'll definitely have some $ for PLEX. In the mean time I'm sending an application to EVE UNI and hopefully get taught the things I need to know.

A trial account can't CovOps cloak. You can fit a Prototype Cloaking Device I to any ship out there, mate.

But you cant train the cloaking skill needed to use it on a trial. Sad

"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner

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