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what ship to use for lvl 1,2,3 missions
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Hector chinmay
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-12-14 19:33:11 UTC
Hello everyone

I have just returned to eve after a long break, so i am a bit rusty.

I was wondering what ship should i use for missions (lvl 1.2.3)? is a sabre able to handle a lvl 2 or 3 mission, and does anyone have a good fit that could be posted?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-12-14 20:21:17 UTC
the rule of thumb is

1.Frigate / Destroyer
2.Cruiser
3.BattleCruiser
4.Battleship

Exceptions apply depending upon skill/bling levels.

T3s will chew through most missions regardless of level if you tweak the fit.

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Hector chinmay
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-12-14 21:13:16 UTC
What about a heavy assault ship? would that be able to handle a lvl 3,4? was thinking about a deimos
Gensou Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-12-14 21:37:47 UTC
Hector chinmay wrote:
What about a heavy assault ship? would that be able to handle a lvl 3,4? was thinking about a deimos


From what ive seen gila's and ishtars are pretty popular
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-12-15 10:24:44 UTC
the ishtar is arguably the best lvl3/4 ship if you only kill what you need to finish the mission. other ships have more raw dps but fast align times and warp speed can save more time than most people realize.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-12-15 10:54:20 UTC
Hector chinmay wrote:
What about a heavy assault ship? would that be able to handle a lvl 3,4? was thinking about a deimos


L1-L3 AF
L3-L4 HAC

If you have excellent skills, and like a little risk you can also try L4's in AF's
Hector chinmay
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-12-15 12:52:57 UTC
Thanks alot for the replies ill have look into it =D
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-12-15 13:14:58 UTC
Otherwise for Minmatar I'd recommend these ships for Minnie space.

lvl 1. Rifter
lvl 2. Stabber
lvl 3. Hurricane
lvl 4. Tempest (later a Vargur or Mach)

But do as you like :)
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#9 - 2014-12-15 15:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosgrimm
Hector chinmay wrote:
What about a heavy assault ship? would that be able to handle a lvl 3,4? was thinking about a deimos


In 3s HAC will be fine. For 4s they should work, but you arent going to find one that regularly outperforms a battleship alternative
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#10 - 2014-12-15 16:17:56 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:
Hector chinmay wrote:
What about a heavy assault ship? would that be able to handle a lvl 3,4? was thinking about a deimos


In 3s HAC will be fine. For 4s they should work, but you arent going to find one that regularly outperforms a battleship alternative


I run L4s in an Ishtar and to be honest from minnie agents pool I have yet to see a mission that caused me any problems. On the other hand I have perfect sentry skills, close to perfect drones skills, most of core skills at 5 and my fit costs about 1.5b. Missiles are slow, guns need ammo, lasers need cap and my ishtar just need a target.

Recently I switched to another corp so I'm grinding through L1s right now using algos. Take 4 missions from all agents in station, get back for another within 10 - 15 minutes. When I will hit L3s I will switch back to ishtar since some acceleration gates in L1/L2 missions have limitation for HAC.

To be honest right now I wouldn't bother with any ship not focused on sentries or drones in general. And I used to fly a mach before it was nerfed (or rather before TEs got nerfed). That's of course only my personal opinion.

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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#11 - 2014-12-15 18:18:44 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Hector chinmay wrote:
What about a heavy assault ship? would that be able to handle a lvl 3,4? was thinking about a deimos


In 3s HAC will be fine. For 4s they should work, but you arent going to find one that regularly outperforms a battleship alternative


I run L4s in an Ishtar and to be honest from minnie agents pool I have yet to see a mission that caused me any problems. On the other hand I have perfect sentry skills, close to perfect drones skills, most of core skills at 5 and my fit costs about 1.5b. Missiles are slow, guns need ammo, lasers need cap and my ishtar just need a target.

Recently I switched to another corp so I'm grinding through L1s right now using algos. Take 4 missions from all agents in station, get back for another within 10 - 15 minutes. When I will hit L3s I will switch back to ishtar since some acceleration gates in L1/L2 missions have limitation for HAC.

To be honest right now I wouldn't bother with any ship not focused on sentries or drones in general. And I used to fly a mach before it was nerfed (or rather before TEs got nerfed). That's of course only my personal opinion.


Cruiser sized ships can do certain missions better, off the top of my head they can blitz dread pirate scarlet faster. But hacs just aren't competitive on missions that require a fair amount of combat. For example concerning drone ships, what about the rattlesnake vs Ishtar on missions in minmatar space like:
Pirate invasion
Mordus headhunters
Angel Extravaganza
Infiltrated Outposts
Etc
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2014-12-15 21:00:22 UTC
I think I had mordus and pirate invasion few days ago, not much of a problem. Don't recall 2 others so I guess there are not so often in my agent's pool or sth.

Just before ishtar I tried rattler, omfg, what a piece of slowazz sh!t. WTF is 1000+ dps good for when I can grow my beard waiting for cruises to hit? Ishtar is fun to fly, is fast to fly, it punches for 650 dps with wardens and almost 800 with gardes, targeting 120km, drone control range 130km. I can warp in, drop MTU, align away from rats, tank everything that can hit me and then snipe them to my heart's content. For the first time Smash the Supplier was actually fun cause I kited those mofos back and forth and my sentries just kept reaping them to pieces.

People will say it's not optimal and I say frakk optimal. I have fun and that's all I care about.

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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#13 - 2014-12-16 06:59:39 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
I think I had mordus and pirate invasion few days ago, not much of a problem. Don't recall 2 others so I guess there are not so often in my agent's pool or sth.

Just before ishtar I tried rattler, omfg, what a piece of slowazz sh!t. WTF is 1000+ dps good for when I can grow my beard waiting for cruises to hit? Ishtar is fun to fly, is fast to fly, it punches for 650 dps with wardens and almost 800 with gardes, targeting 120km, drone control range 130km. I can warp in, drop MTU, align away from rats, tank everything that can hit me and then snipe them to my heart's content. For the first time Smash the Supplier was actually fun cause I kited those mofos back and forth and my sentries just kept reaping them to pieces.

Rattlesnake can break 1500dps. T1 domi can outperform an Ishtar in 4s if you don't like missles. Not saying HACs cant do 4s, just that battleship alternatives perform better.

Schmata Bastanold wrote:
People will say it's not optimal and I say frakk optimal. I have fun and that's all I care about.

Then we agree. Not sure why you are raging. My original statement was just advising the OP that battleship alternatives generally outperform HACs in 4s. You say HACs aren't optimal. I say HACs aren't optimal. Obviously feel free to use whichever ship you want. The OP was asking about HACs in 4s, I thought informing him of HACs vs battleships was relevant to the discussion.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#14 - 2014-12-16 07:09:07 UTC
Nah man, I don't rage, if it came out like this I'm sorry, not my intention :)

But I really didn't like that rattler. Domi is nice, I used it for null anoms in duo (again, no guns just sentries) but it's BS and BS hulls are slow, too slow for my current tastes. Again, my tastes, your mileage may vary.

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#15 - 2014-12-16 13:37:37 UTC
For low skill char there is no better option but Gnosis for L2-L3 Missions. L1 mission is for ppl with terrrible standings, I hope it is not OP case. Nothing better for low skill/ISK char than MJD Dominix for L4. Best ships for L4 are maradeurs or Rattlenake + Machariel (snipe + melee combination, depends on mission and current mood).

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Hector chinmay
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-12-16 16:25:47 UTC
Looking at my skills the Sabre is the ship i Can use fastes. Is that ship useful and does anyone have a fit?