Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When I first began playing EVE Online, I had a certain set of expectations and desires for the experience that were quickly crushed throughout my time in-game. The failure to meet those expectations eventually lead me to quit playing for a couple of years.

Most capsuleers are looking for a couple of things specifically. Tell me if you agree.

First off...

...capsuleers want to create something in their gaming experience. Most capsuleers have been directors in small corporations at some point in time trying to feed this desire to be part of something that works and feeds a sense of purpose. In-turn, these small corporations just want a little piece of the pie. They want space of their own. A little outpost "in the woods" to call home.

Those dreams are quickly destroyed by the realization that large blobs of coalitions and alliances run this universe. The little man can't have that piece of pie because they'll have to fight off 3000 of the big man's guns to get even a taste. It's like a small start-up business trying to take on Microsoft. It's just not going to happen.

I have an idea that probably needs work-shopped a touch, but I'm sure there will be plenty of feedback in this thread to get some ideas on repairing the problem. I understand a null-sec revamp is coming, but this thread is about a bigger picture.

The first time I set up a POS, I was extremely disappointed in the result. I was expecting a dock-able structure; A miniature outpost for my crew. Instead, I got a bubble with some crap on the inside that could magically make my ship disappear and reappear in space, and do some other mystically magical things that I couldn't see. Logistically, it made sense, but it wasn't fun. It was more work than it was worth. To be fun, for me, a POS was going to have to be a modular outpost, fitted like a T3 with subsystems, dock-able, and with the same logistical capabilities and destructibility. In my reality, walking in stations should have started with walking in POS's, a smaller, more manageable GUI environment for a small group of people. It should have limited docking capability by limiting the space available for docking, but be able to accommodate 10-20 docked pilots with limited hangar space for ships and equipment. Nothing should change otherwise. The structure is just as fragile as before, the purpose is the same, but the execution is different.

I think this POS restructuring would make WH space a bit more inhabitable, and make it out to be what the capsuleers clearly desire. This would make high and low-sec more interesting as well, providing players with a small hangout for their corporation. Making them feel more connected to the game, and each other. That's just the beginning.

Secondly...

...in the beginning, I wanted more control over my ships. This has begun to be a reality with Rhea, but the ship control needs to be much more intuitive than up, down, and side-to-side. I think this is a fit subject for another thread.

Lastly...

...my ideas are short on this, but null-sec has historically been only for the EVE giant. The Apples and Microsofts of the EVE universe. I'd hate to take that away from the large coalitions. They've clearly earned it, but I think there needs to be an integration of the little man somehow. It needs to be maintainable for a small group, yet risky, and with a high possibility of profit. We may even be talking about a different system class all-together where the corporation "pays" CONCORD to provide a level of security within the system, essentially taking a null-sec system, player owning it, and raising the sec status of the system under the corporate flag. I'd also like to see outposts be completely destructible because, let's face it, what happens when outposts are in every null-sec system. There will be no more to be built.

These are all just basic ideas, and clearly need some further thought. I'd like to hear your ideas for further development on these topics. Maybe we can help EVE be the game that everyone wants it to be.

Your POS complaint that is just a matter of you not doing research and building something up to what it wasn't and for game play reasons they should not be dockable.


as for wanting a a bit of space that a small start up corp can claim in eve a corporation of only a few people can claim a a system and hold it (one man can even do it with a few alts) you need to learn more about what can be done in eve head to a wiki i'll even give you a starting point and tell you to look into J-space

This is probably the best course of action for a small corp wanting to claim space. There are plenty of day to day activities which are essential in J-Space that would which are not so much in K-Space to keep you guys occupied. Not to mention that it can be rather lucrative to live there.

Welcome to WH space.

Other things:

-POSes are slated to be redone. Ideas for POSes have been bashed to death. Use the search function.
-Ship controls might--might--be expanded to include joystick control and throttle. Might. CCP is looking at it. That said, keep in mind the server only really pays attention to you once every second, and that's not going to change for the foreseeable future.

Welcome to the realization that you are an itty bitty fish in a really big pond. EvE is not like other MMOs. You get given pretty much nothing. If you want something, you need to prove you deserve it. Put on your big boy undies, go out, and take what you want from those who already have it. This is the spirit of EvE.

Can't do it alone? That's fine. There are dozens, hundreds, maybe even thousands of players who are after the same thing you want. Recruit their assistance. Keep in mind, however, that some of those are waiting for you to do all the work, then they will stab you in the back and take all that you've worked so hard for. This is also the spirit of EvE.

First-
I too would like ownable, destructable and dockable stations to be a reality. And when the bad guys come along, they can sift through the ashes to scoop whats left of your stuff (and your corpses if you logged off in there).

Second-
Go for it. As long as you appreciate you can only update your trajectory once a second. With the way EVE works, down to its core code, even a frigate will not be twitching controls to avoid incoming fire.

Third-
No. If you cant take it yourself, and you cant defend it yourself, you dont deserve it. If the little guy wants something, hes going to have to do something about it himself.

Im not sure what you are imagining with this idea, but how are you supposed to retake a system when the invincible CONCORD turn up every time someone shoots a POS?...

Are we just supposed to leave the system in the hands of the first person who reaches it? thats not very fun.

The kind of person who suggests that Concord should help you hold your space will probably never own his own home.

I have since I first started found my home system with my main station more cozy than any wormhole PoS I have encountered...
I don't think EVE is crushing anyone elses dreams, than yours. People shouldn't be handed anything on a silver platter... They need to learn the basics of the game. Rough times is what you learn from, and thrives you to do better...

I was overjoyed when I first hit my milestone of 200 million isk... I did that because I worked hard for it. I knew it was nothing compared to the biggest corportations, but you got to remember they started out from scratch as well. Especially those who first played this game at release who had nothing, and was unable to get anything better than a frigate or cruiser because it was expensive and there weren't as many miners and industrial players as there are today.

I believe new players nowadays are living in complete luxury. When I first started playing the game, you created a character whereafter you were given a ship in the middle of nowhere, where aura shortly after spawned two pirate ships that you had to kill.

Tough times makes you thrive for doing better... I understand if a lot of people quit because of that, so be it... I rather have more patient people continue to play the game than impatient little "beeps" who take things for granted.

So yeah...

I like the idea of being able to dock at starbases, if it doesn't fit with the current lore then scrap the current lore and make starbases bigger and modular. I want to start with a tower and then stick labs and arrays on it rather than having them floating in space like a bunch of space litter.

As for the rest, well meh. I'm a little guy and I understand your frustrations but at the end of the day it's a sandbox and if you fight someone bigger and richer then unless you're a lot smarter you should expect to lose. On the other side once you've had your face kicked in and been forced to retreat to high-sec then it should be much harder to give you grief than it currently is, but that's for another topic really.

If they're effectively the same then what is your problem with the way it works now. YOU are the one proposing the change, the burden of proof is on YOU.

In fact a POS is functionally better than a dockable station the way you propose... I can D-scan in my POS, I can use probes in my POS, I can see my enemies' fleet compositions in my POS. If you make it dockable all of that goes away... and for what? to fulfill your expectations?

The great thing is that CCP isnt all about catering to your desires or expectations...

the best part about this game is the dog eat dog mentality of everyone who plays. As you have already said there are several ways to play effectively as a small group, so go do those and quit asking CCP to provide additional content for you when you should be out there making the content for yourself.