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Escalations and drops changes?
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Terza Torre
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-09-13 10:16:18 UTC
In the last days I made a lot of guristas plexes but the escalation rates and drop rates seem to have changed a lot.

As an example, in 7 days, I made about 6 gurista bases, 8 gurista fortesses, 3 gurista military complex and NO ONE of this escalated (previously i would have got at least 4-5 escalation on these).

I aso make 4 Pith penal comples and 3 military operations complexes and the last boss dropped absolutely nothing apart from the overseer effects....

Finally the gurista DED 6 in 0.0 seems extremly rare now but, when u get it, the last boss drops are good.

Is this normal or there have been some changes in loot tables and escalation chances?

TT
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-13 10:21:51 UTC
Only CCP themselves would know if loot tables or escalation chances were changed, and they (for obvious reasons) won't tell us.

No amount of players have a sample size anywhere near big enough to say whether or not they've been changed.

From what I've seen in the Exploration chat channel in game people have still been making billions and getting lots of drops, so it seems you must have done something to get on Lady Luck's bad side :D
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-13 11:23:04 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Only CCP themselves would know if loot tables or escalation chances were changed, and they (for obvious reasons) won't tell us.

No amount of players have a sample size anywhere near big enough to say whether or not they've been changed.

From what I've seen in the Exploration chat channel in game people have still been making billions and getting lots of drops, so it seems you must have done something to get on Lady Luck's bad side :D


Oi... where is this exploration channel I keep hearing about?
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#4 - 2011-09-13 11:40:53 UTC
Terza Torre wrote:
In the last days I made a lot of guristas plexes but the escalation rates and drop rates seem to have changed a lot.

As an example, in 7 days, I made about 6 gurista bases, 8 gurista fortesses, 3 gurista military complex and NO ONE of this escalated (previously i would have got at least 4-5 escalation on these).

I aso make 4 Pith penal comples and 3 military operations complexes and the last boss dropped absolutely nothing apart from the overseer effects....

Finally the gurista DED 6 in 0.0 seems extremly rare now but, when u get it, the last boss drops are good.

Is this normal or there have been some changes in loot tables and escalation chances?

TT


Sample size for each site is too small.

Please return with a minimum of 100 for each site you wish to complain about (and even then you will still be subject to a rather large margin of error, a sample size of 1000 would be ideal).

In short, random is random, run more sites.
Tob Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-09-13 11:43:58 UTC
Yes Guristas exploration was nerfed really hard. I moved on to Amarr space and now i make a lot more.
You should all do that!!
Discordia Duenna
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-09-13 11:44:43 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Only CCP themselves would know if loot tables or escalation chances were changed, and they (for obvious reasons) won't tell us.

No amount of players have a sample size anywhere near big enough to say whether or not they've been changed.

From what I've seen in the Exploration chat channel in game people have still been making billions and getting lots of drops, so it seems you must have done something to get on Lady Luck's bad side :D


Oi... where is this exploration channel I keep hearing about?


Type in exploration in to channel finder perhaps?
Gassner
Katholische Pfruendepachtstelle
#7 - 2011-09-13 12:15:54 UTC
Terza Torre wrote:

Finally the guristas DED 6 in 0.0 seems extremly rare now but, when u get it, the last boss drops are good.



afaik the loot drops from a structure called Captive Fighting Arena, what's this boss you are talking about?
and there's always the "chance" you go home empty handed (besides the OPE).
out of the 5 i found in low, only 3 dropped deadspace mods
Xyolon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-09-14 12:43:19 UTC
Tob Zero wrote:
Yes Guristas exploration was nerfed really hard. I moved on to Amarr space and now i make a lot more.
You should all do that!!


I see what you did there.
You should also stay in Amarr and stop visiting us... On a second thought, keep providing us killmails.

Escalations and drops seems to be normal for me (serpentis space).
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-09-14 13:43:38 UTC
Well, I ran a site yesterday and it dropped loot, so:
http://www.swiftandbitter.com/eve/img/Exploration_is_Fixed.png
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2011-09-14 14:10:33 UTC
No. They did not change escalations in any way.

How do I know? Because exploration in general is something CCP hasn't cared about for… oh… 2½ years. Any dev that wasted time on something as difficult as changing the database to alter balance (cf. hybrids) or to alter the economy (cf. insurance) would immediately be fired. Out of a cannon. Into the sun. Also, as the above examples show, 2½ years is far too little time for such a change, even if they had the manpower to do it.

Hyperbole aside: unless there have been significant talk about exploration and several dev blogs discussing imbalances, and a threadnought or two discussing the end of the world/second coming, you can pretty safely assume that you're just another victim of the RNG.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-09-14 15:20:56 UTC
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Type in exploration in to channel finder perhaps?


Got it thanks.

If only all things EVE were half as straightforward!
Xyolon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-09-14 17:18:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
No. They did not change escalations in any way.
you're just another victim of the RNG.


This.
Sometimes I don't get any loot after doing quite a few sites.
Sometimes I get average loot.
And occasionally, I get a lot in a short amount of time, like 5 Vindicator BPCs (+others) in 1,5 weeks.
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-15 11:28:53 UTC
plz dont get discouraged by trolls. exploration IS broken. i'm making a colecsion of similar posts and i'll file a petition to Ccp. the more topics like thease the better! Ccp is ignoring this issue WAY too long.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-09-15 12:00:35 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
plz dont get discouraged by trolls. exploration IS broken. i'm making a colecsion of similar posts and i'll file a petition to Ccp. the more topics like thease the better! Ccp is ignoring this issue WAY too long.

Why is it broken?
Because you haven't been getting the drops you used to get?
If yes, how do you know you haven't been getting poor loot because of the fact that drops are random?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2011-09-15 12:25:47 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
plz dont get discouraged by trolls. exploration IS broken. i'm making a colecsion of similar posts and i'll file a petition to Ccp. the more topics like thease the better! Ccp is ignoring this issue WAY too long.
Just one problem: collecting posts proves nothing other than the fact that humans do not grasp randomness.

What you actually need to collect to send to CCP is data.

No-one has so far presented any kind of data that points to exploration being broken in any way.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#16 - 2011-09-15 13:34:00 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
plz dont get discouraged by trolls. exploration IS broken. i'm making a colecsion of similar posts and i'll file a petition to Ccp. the more topics like thease the better! Ccp is ignoring this issue WAY too long.


Sweet troll bro. Quality stuff right there.
Haulin Gneiss
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-09-15 15:22:14 UTC
OP said penal.
Shaniqua Kadesh
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-09-15 15:29:02 UTC
Tob Zero wrote:
Yes Guristas exploration was nerfed really hard. I moved on to Amarr space and now i make a lot more.
You should all do that!!



Yes Guristas exploration was nerfed really hard, these are not the sites you are looking for...
Brynhilda
Chimp Hoons Export and Expo Service
Scary Wormhole People
#19 - 2011-09-15 16:03:09 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
plz dont get discouraged by trolls. exploration IS broken. i'm making a colecsion of similar posts and i'll file a petition to Ccp. the more topics like thease the better! Ccp is ignoring this issue WAY too long.



Add mine! Add mine!

Exploration is broken!

2 nights ago, I visited 2 5/10s and only 2 B-Type EANMs, a Thermal Membrane, a B-Type AB and a Vigilant BPC dropped.

As you can see, exploration is broken!

How may I drug you with drugs?
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-09-15 16:47:26 UTC
Brynhilda wrote:
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
plz dont get discouraged by trolls. exploration IS broken. i'm making a colecsion of similar posts and i'll file a petition to Ccp. the more topics like thease the better! Ccp is ignoring this issue WAY too long.



Add mine! Add mine!

Exploration is broken!

2 nights ago, I visited 2 5/10s and only 2 B-Type EANMs, a Thermal Membrane, a B-Type AB and a Vigilant BPC dropped.

As you can see, exploration is broken!

Confirming that this is a CCP alt who bypasses the RNG and makes players think exploration is not broken:
"Hey I got phat lewtz! You can too!"
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