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Vigilant
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#1 - 2014-12-10 00:39:26 UTC
Did CCP really make this yet another cash cow for owners of Outer Ring? I though they learned their lesson on the Orca BPO's.

From what I am seeing its only available second hand or in Outer Ring.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#2 - 2014-12-10 00:41:13 UTC
Vigilant wrote:
Did CCP really make this yet another cash cow for owners of Outer Ring? I though they learned their lesson on the Orca BPO's.

From what I am seeing its only available second hand or in Outer Ring.

ORE owns outer ring. ORE is an NPC corporation and when ORE BPs are added, they are seeded in Outer Ring. This happens with every addition of an ORE blueprint.

Either go out there and buy one, get someone to get you one, or buy the resell copies on the market in Empire.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-12-10 01:29:55 UTC
It is actually really easy to get them.

Example: Black Ops undock, wait for session timer, and while immune covert-cyno jump to a less camped system. All you need risk is a Covert Ops.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-12-10 01:39:01 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
It is actually really easy to get them.
Just don't be this guy

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Sabriz Adoudel
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#5 - 2014-12-10 01:42:46 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
It is actually really easy to get them.
Just don't be this guy



I.... cannot stop laughing at that...

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Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2014-12-10 01:47:55 UTC
Yeah, doing it any other way than what Tau mentioned is pretty foolish.

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Shayla Sh'inlux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-12-10 13:07:07 UTC
I had my alt pick up one in a Nano'd Stilletto.

It wasn't hard.

Ceejay Johnston
GP-MC Holdings
#8 - 2014-12-10 14:05:38 UTC
Shayla Sh'inlux wrote:
I had my alt pick up one in a Nano'd Stilletto.

It wasn't hard.



How much do they cost out of curiosity
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-12-10 14:15:49 UTC
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-12-10 21:41:30 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
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ORE owns outer ring. ORE is an NPC corporation and when ORE BPs are added, they are seeded in Outer Ring. This happens with every addition of an ORE blueprint...........


This would be true, it might have even been expected - except for two things:

1. The Orca (an Ore Industrial) BPO is available in the Citadel

2. CCP clearly stated in the Bowhead thread that it would be available in the same stations the Orca BPO is/was - and thus it was, I understand, on SISI

And then, with the patch, they did something different......

One might always think - conspiracy...... I supposeRoll

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2014-12-10 21:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
For what it is worth...

I have a no-skill alt camped in an ORE station as a scout and bookmark-maker.

This no-skill alt travelled there in a rookie ship, and managed to avoid all drag / stop bubbles. Thankfully no bubbles directly on gates were encountered (they tend to be destroyed, as they are very annoying).

Now I wouldn't want to make the return trip in a rookie ship with expensive cargo, but rather I wanted to point out that getting there isn't difficult outside of "hunting season".

Travelling during hunting season imposes additional risks, like being alpha'd or bumped on the undock, or travelling via camped stargates, which the Black Ops negates.
Sturmwolke
#12 - 2014-12-11 01:03:10 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:

And then, with the patch, they did something different......

One might always think - conspiracy...... I supposeRoll

They call it plausible deniability.
It does raise an eyebrow how a fairly important information gets mishandled, rather conveniently.
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#13 - 2014-12-11 01:41:54 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
For what it is worth...

I have a no-skill alt camped in an ORE station as a scout and bookmark-maker.

This no-skill alt travelled there in a rookie ship, and managed to avoid all drag / stop bubbles. Thankfully no bubbles directly on gates were encountered (they tend to be destroyed, as they are very annoying).

Now I wouldn't want to make the return trip in a rookie ship with expensive cargo, but rather I wanted to point out that getting there isn't difficult outside of "hunting season".

Travelling during hunting season imposes additional risks, like being alpha'd or bumped on the undock, or travelling via camped stargates, which the Black Ops negates.


I used to routinely travel through bubbled camps in an interceptor but haven't done it in a while, so I'd be cautious about warp scramblers. If I were determined to get a BPO out, I'd create bookmarks over all the gates on the way in, plan my in/out at the station carefully, and most importantly be patient about it. It works in my favour that my evening time brackets DT. Perhaps a step above the skill level of the industrialist, but I got my start as a pvper in the first place from the adrenaline rush of getting shot at in low-sec.

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#14 - 2014-12-11 08:58:56 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
This would be true, it might have even been expected - except for two things:

1. The Orca (an Ore Industrial) BPO is available in the Citadel

The Covetor, Retriever, Procuror and Rorqual are Outer Ring only - The Orca is anomalous because it is not an ORE ship but a joint venture between ORE and Deep Core Mining... It is therefore available from Deep Core Mining sources in addition to ORE.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2014-12-11 23:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2014-12-12 11:01:16 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Marcus Tedric wrote:
This would be true, it might have even been expected - except for two things:

1. The Orca (an Ore Industrial) BPO is available in the Citadel

The Covetor, Retriever, Procuror and Rorqual are Outer Ring only - The Orca is anomalous because it is not an ORE ship but a joint venture between ORE and Deep Core Mining... It is therefore available from Deep Core Mining sources in addition to ORE.



Tau Cabalander wrote:
Orca is not a pure ORE vessel, hence the BPO is available in hisec.

CCP Chronotis wrote:
The Orca is a collaboration between Outer Ring Excavations and Deep Core Mining Inc



Gents,

You are indeed correct in the facts you re-state - but so was I (if you care to re-read).

There is, however, no need for you to make excuses for CCPs failure.

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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-12-12 18:57:28 UTC
I can't believe how many of these sold already. When I looked yesterday over 200 had been sold in the forge alone. These will eventually be another BPO that one can get 10-20 originals for market price. Also I would imagine the price will come down quickly on the hull as so many are building them right out of the gate.
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#18 - 2014-12-13 00:59:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lil' Brudder Too
I don't recall CCP saying it was seeded in HS...i recall a player stating they had seen it on SiSi as seeded in a Deep Core seed station. CCP Rise however decided to post on Twitter apologizing for the switch after it was discovered on TQ after the patch.

Though using agility maxed ceptors, it was a laughably easy task to get in and out with the goods. Of course you have to avoid the normal camp times.

HeXxploiT wrote:
Also I would imagine the price will come down quickly on the hull as so many are building them right out of the gate.

Only if they had the Capital Maint Bay's built before hand....hehehe, that 3x mark-up did amazing things for my wallet...Bear...heck some ppl paid 1.5b for just the maint bays...let alone the rest of the components...Twisted

By my maths there have only been 17(ish) ships worth of Maint-bays bought in The Forge since tuesday morning, and only 8 worth in the two weeks prior.

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Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-12-15 23:56:00 UTC
Even if every person who bought a BPO was going to build a bowhead, we'd only have 500 or so hitting the market in about two weeks, another 500 after that, etc.

How many incursion runners do you think are there who are waiting for theirs? There's still bank to be made.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#20 - 2014-12-17 00:52:46 UTC
Vigilant wrote:
Did CCP really make this yet another cash cow for owners of Outer Ring? I though they learned their lesson on the Orca BPO's.

From what I am seeing its only available second hand or in Outer Ring.


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