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Shalogorath
Knights Templar.
Blood Raider Shipyards
#1 - 2011-09-12 09:58:55 UTC
We have been downtrodden and beaten into the oppressed, We have been taking from our homes and treated like mere furriers. We have been looked down upon as nothing but tribal barbarians by BOTH the Caldari state and more importantly.. The Amarr so called Empire. Too long have we stayed silent. WE the Minmatarr have and can accomplish many great things. We stopped the corrupt organisation that is CONCORD, We fought at the heart of the Amarr Empire. We did loose many brave souls but we are Minmatarr. Together the tribes stand and we can free our brothers, free every man, woman and child from there prison on Amarrian planets. We will burn the Amarrians Ship by Ship!. None shall oppress.

We at the Minmamarr Empublic believe that WE CAN! fight back. The Minmamarr was founded by a noble Amarrian who fought back against his own people and freed slaves from his land. Our leader whom shall be known as Shakespeare'sWrath united us against the Slave trade on our own planets. WE ARE STILL UNDER ATTACK!. Unite again brothers. For our beloved republic. For our people! We Will Stand!
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-09-12 12:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Shalogorath wrote:
We have been downtrodden and beaten into the oppressed, We have been taking from our homes and treated like mere furriers. We have been looked down upon as nothing but tribal barbarians by BOTH the Caldari state and more importantly.. The Amarr so called Empire. Too long have we stayed silent. WE the Minmatarr have and can accomplish many great things. We stopped the corrupt organisation that is CONCORD, We fought at the heart of the Amarr Empire. We did loose many brave souls but we are Minmatarr. Together the tribes stand and we can free our brothers, free every man, woman and child from there prison on Amarrian planets. We will burn the Amarrians Ship by Ship!. None shall oppress.

We at the Minmamarr Empublic believe that WE CAN! fight back. The Minmamarr was founded by a noble Amarrian who fought back against his own people and freed slaves from his land. Our leader whom shall be known as Shakespeare'sWrath united us against the Slave trade on our own planets. WE ARE STILL UNDER ATTACK!. Unite again brothers. For our beloved republic. For our people! We Will Stand!


While I believe that much of the conflict with the Amarr and Minmatar can and should be fought with diplomacy and God's love rather than autocannons and lasers, I appreciate this sentiment.

Although, I am slightly confused when you say you 'stopped the corrupt organization that is CONCORD' what do you mean exactly? CONCORD is just a capsuleer law enforcement directive.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#3 - 2011-09-12 12:28:23 UTC
I believe my zealous brother refers to the Elder's attack on the CONCORD communications hub, immediately prior to the invasion.

Brother, let me relate something I once was told, said by one of our elders, and related to me when I was also very, very agressive in my attitudes and stances.

"The Matari spirit is an indomitable fire. Be sure when fanning those flames that you do not burn this world of ours down. Seeds cannot grow in a soil of ash."

"The Elder’s Tome", Matari Chronicles

Take care to not become that which you hate, brother.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-09-12 12:46:33 UTC
Shaman Starfire offers wisdom, Shalograth.


Beyond that, I will offer sincere wishes that you can tame your hostility with wisdom, seek your vengeance with prudence and remember not to forsake yourself in your quest for justice.

~Malcolm Khross
Zanziba'ar
Wolf Brothers INC
United Neopian Federation
#5 - 2011-09-12 12:57:29 UTC
"Rise Rise we will, For we are Gorath and we only rise"
- Aerogorath

Remember shalo your family have fought The Amarrians for before we were even conceived. They know now as much as they knew then that mindless aggression is only a way into failure. Gather your forces and your strength keep on rising like your fallen brothers and strike true when the time is right...

Aerogorath will be remembered as will our fathers. They did not die so that you could act hastily. Your heart is true. Your mind will soon follow. Patience.
  • Mulzvich "Zanziba'ar" Gorath
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2011-09-12 13:00:29 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

"The Matari spirit is an indomitable fire. Be sure when fanning those flames that you do not burn this world of ours down. Seeds cannot grow in a soil of ash."

"The Elder’s Tome", Matari Chronicles



Actually, ashes are usually the best soil for seeds to blossom. See how nature grows back after a volcano blast, for example.

Of course, I agree with you, though. I just find the analogy scientifically incorrect.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-09-12 13:02:20 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:

"The Matari spirit is an indomitable fire. Be sure when fanning those flames that you do not burn this world of ours down. Seeds cannot grow in a soil of ash."

"The Elder’s Tome", Matari Chronicles



Actually, ashes are usually the best soil for seeds to blossom. See how nature grows back after a volcano blast, for example.

Of course, I agree with you, though. I just find the analogy scientifically incorrect.


Actually her analogy is scientifically correct, it's simply been simplified.

Ash serves as a fertilizer, but it does not contain substance and nutrition enough for plants to spread root and grow without some manner of soil beneath it. Put a seed in ash absent of soil and you will receive nothing. Plant a seed in soil fertilized by ash and you will have life.

~Malcolm Khross
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2011-09-12 13:07:57 UTC
Simplified, indeed.

My apologies.
Shalogorath
Knights Templar.
Blood Raider Shipyards
#9 - 2011-09-12 13:19:46 UTC
Zanziba'ar wrote:
"Rise Rise we will, For we are Gorath and we only rise"
- Aerogorath

Remember shalo your family have fought The Amarrians for before we were even conceived. They know now as much as they knew then that mindless aggression is only a way into failure. Gather your forces and your strength keep on rising like your fallen brothers and strike true when the time is right...

Aerogorath will be remembered as will our fathers. They did not die so that you could act hastily. Your heart is true. Your mind will soon follow. Patience.



sais the man who bombards Amarrian cathedrals and temple's, bombs trade ships and deliberately stops Amarrian loyalists entering space other than there own. You Mulz are the reason I started this career. You are the one who taught me about the Amarrian menace and now YOU are telling me not to?

was it not just two weeks ago you destroyed a mining fleet headed for Amarr? That resulted in a 500million ISK bounty on your head? Mulz it sounds to be like you are a hypocrite....
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#10 - 2011-09-12 14:44:46 UTC
Oh look, another tribal terrorist cell.

Hopefully you'll develop some kind of a comedy act soon, the whole 'burn all the cathedrals, brothers' litany gets old sooner than you'd expect. I'm sure mr. Kazzzi can give you some helpful advice regarding that.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2011-09-12 15:07:08 UTC
It's quite interesting how these announcements have evolved over time.

They used to involve lots of meteorological metaphors (the coming storm etc), but talking about fire seems much more trendy amongst young Minmatar scallywags these days.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-09-12 15:45:50 UTC
For any critic of the 24th Imperial crusade, or our right to defend ourselves, I offer you this thread for your consideration. I don't think I could debate why the need to fight any better.

Peace be with you Shalogorath, your salvation comes for you. Rejoice and be calm.

Thgil Goldcore
Templar Lieutenant
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#13 - 2011-09-12 20:43:01 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
For any critic of the 24th Imperial crusade, or our right to defend ourselves, I offer you this thread for your consideration. I don't think I could debate why the need to fight any better.

Peace be with you Shalogorath, your salvation comes for you. Rejoice and be calm.

Thgil Goldcore
Templar Lieutenant


Ma'am, with humble respect, may I point out that in your first sentence you stated that the Crusade exists only to defend the Empire... and in the second, you seem to allude to "salvation coming."

May I ask for clarification? I am trying to decide what to think of you, quite frankly.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-09-12 20:59:56 UTC
Avlynka,

She stated the 24th Imperial Crusade or their right to defend themselves.

I am answering for her, I understand, but I think the "or" is meant as a distinction between the two, not a clarification. Essentially the two are separate ideas, the 24th being the Empire's conquest over the Matari people in an effort to "save them from themselves" and "enlighten them," while the "defend ourselves" would be specifically their practice of defending themselves from counter aggression and otherwise.

~Malcolm Khross
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#15 - 2011-09-12 21:00:55 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
For any critic of the 24th Imperial crusade, or our right to defend ourselves, I offer you this thread for your consideration. I don't think I could debate why the need to fight any better.

Peace be with you Shalogorath, your salvation comes for you. Rejoice and be calm.

Thgil Goldcore
Templar Lieutenant


Like Ava, I'm not so sure about you. From this thread and a few others you have commented in, especially the one started by Rek Jaiga; Tactical Humility, you seem like someone who it may actually be worth talking to.. or you could be just another zealous empire (re)builder.

As for your comment, we are not all quite so.. keen as Shalograth here. Now I'm going to come out with the same old stuff, it's not entirely defense, you certainly do some attacking as well, we have a right to defend ourselves as well, etc.

Feel like meeting for a chat at some point?

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2011-09-13 01:14:56 UTC
Shalogorath wrote:
...


You seem rather confused and perhaps a bit delirious. I'm sure prayer and a calm environment for some meditation would help greatly. There are many here who would assist with your salvation.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-09-13 02:49:33 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:

Like Ava, I'm not so sure about you. From this thread and a few others you have commented in, especially the one started by Rek Jaiga; Tactical Humility, you seem like someone who it may actually be worth talking to.. or you could be just another zealous empire (re)builder.

As for your comment, we are not all quite so.. keen as Shalograth here. Now I'm going to come out with the same old stuff, it's not entirely defense, you certainly do some attacking as well, we have a right to defend ourselves as well, etc.

Feel like meeting for a chat at some point?



My slight differing in voice may be attributed to my background. I am a scientist and industrialist by training, not a warrior or a theologian. One thing that I am is loyal to my God and my Empire, but perhaps I am not as used to the rederict that my brothers and sisters are experts at handling. My primary servent and chief advisor helps me clarify things, since I often talk in what he jokingly refers to 'thiggy speak' (or it makes perfect sense to me but no one else). He helps me reign it in a little.

Still, while I know with certainty that what I do is just, I am aware that my enemies feel they are just. I understand, from their point of view, I am the evil one. Some may have understandable reasons to do so. As such I try my best to respect and sometimes love my enemy instead of hate them. But they are still my enemy, I still fight for my God and Empire, and these cannot be questioned.

I well understand that Shalograth is not the mainstay of all the Minmatar people. My servents are nothing like him which shows blood does not make a man.

As far as chatting, I wouldn't mind in the least. Provided you understand that any talk of a tactical measure should be avoided. I am about to open up my families tavern up to the capsuleer public soon. perhaps we can meet sometime and talk over a glass of my families famous spiced wine. War should never get in the way of being civil.
Zanziba'ar
Wolf Brothers INC
United Neopian Federation
#18 - 2011-09-13 11:24:58 UTC
But Shalogorath does speak from the heart. Something many matari believe in is what Shalo performs. Your acts are far from right and just, what makes you better than Sansha nation? they alter people physically as do your people. Vitoc is just as bad as the implants that make a true slave, If not worse.. The poor matari which you drug up then make work until death is well aware of what is happening and can do nothing about it no much he tries. Which makes me think, Your people scream about how it is wrong that sansha nation take people from your planets but it is ok for you to do so? Does your religious teachings not tell you to avoid hypocracy? My crew crave the blood of hypocrites and liars alike to avenge those lost and those enslaved. There cause is just. The freedom of our people Is a just cause. The onslaught of a nation for bringing embarrassment on your own and the reclamation of your peoples glory. hidden by something you call the "will of god" is not just,

Me, I am no scholar. I am a military man... I am not extremely intelligent but I know things that most don't. I know right from wrong. I know a liar as he stands there in his ship, From in his pod. These things I know.. I have watched My men be scattered amongst the stars by your templar while I leave unscathed. I have seen large battles between Pirate and Pirate, Empire and Empire. And I Will see... I will see the freedom of my people as it is right.

I will not stand for your actions and then hiding behind them in YULAI as a religious motion, an accident, a NON sanctioned attack that resulted in the deaths of thousands of Matari and often Gallente people.

I will see your ships, your fleets, your Empire and Your God torn down, Before the year is our you will be wishing your "empress" Jamyl Sarum had never resisted us.

Justice is swift, It is coming
  • Mulzvich "Zanziba'ar" Gorath
Lord Behemoth
Knights Templar.
Blood Raider Shipyards
#19 - 2011-09-13 11:40:28 UTC
Zanziba'ar wrote:
But Shalogorath does speak from the heart. Something many matari believe in is what Shalo performs. Your acts are far from right and just, what makes you better than Sansha nation? they alter people physically as do your people. Vitoc is just as bad as the implants that make a true slave, If not worse.. The poor matari which you drug up then make work until death is well aware of what is happening and can do nothing about it no much he tries. Which makes me think, Your people scream about how it is wrong that sansha nation take people from your planets but it is ok for you to do so? Does your religious teachings not tell you to avoid hypocracy? My crew crave the blood of hypocrites and liars alike to avenge those lost and those enslaved. There cause is just. The freedom of our people Is a just cause. The onslaught of a nation for bringing embarrassment on your own and the reclamation of your peoples glory. hidden by something you call the "will of god" is not just,

Me, I am no scholar. I am a military man... I am not extremely intelligent but I know things that most don't. I know right from wrong. I know a liar as he stands there in his ship, From in his pod. These things I know.. I have watched My men be scattered amongst the stars by your templar while I leave unscathed. I have seen large battles between Pirate and Pirate, Empire and Empire. And I Will see... I will see the freedom of my people as it is right.

I will not stand for your actions and then hiding behind them in YULAI as a religious motion, an accident, a NON sanctioned attack that resulted in the deaths of thousands of Matari and often Gallente people.

I will see your ships, your fleets, your Empire and Your God torn down, Before the year is our you will be wishing your "empress" Jamyl Sarum had never resisted us.

Justice is swift, It is coming



Very well wrote from the legitimate pirate over there. You stop Capsuleers from all over easy access to trade and leisure, Just think. Maybe even family. You Zanziba'ar write about being just and fair yet you yourself are a hypocrite. I was also there during the battle at Vard not 3 months ago. and if I remember correctly we congratulated you after your victory. It was a small battle but it was definitely one God did not want us to win. But remember God does no an Evil man and though I am not saying your evil, You certainly represent it.

I for one have several estates. My slaves are treated fairly, Not once are they beaten but they stay in check. They are from the same line that has been in my family for generations. They don't know any better, Maybe you should step back in-line Zanziba'ar like your mother did. I've read your families past in the concord files Zanziba'ar and I know alot more than you think I know about you, though your files are mostly bare.

Templar Goldcore is it? It is nice to see we have civil warriors for our Empire but you must not be confused. Shalogorath's cause is not holy, Unlike ours. If you truly fight for god then you will cover your eyes from such nonsense as the evil of the seven demons can consume. Stay on the path of the chosen.

- Lord of the house of Behemoth
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#20 - 2011-09-13 11:43:51 UTC
Zanziba'ar wrote:
But Shalogorath does speak from the heart. Something many matari believe in is what Shalo performs. Your acts are far from right and just, what makes you better than Sansha nation? they alter people physically as do your people. Vitoc is just as bad as the implants that make a true slave, If not worse.. The poor matari which you drug up then make work until death is well aware of what is happening and can do nothing about it no much he tries. Which makes me think, Your people scream about how it is wrong that sansha nation take people from your planets but it is ok for you to do so? Does your religious teachings not tell you to avoid hypocracy? My crew crave the blood of hypocrites and liars alike to avenge those lost and those enslaved. There cause is just. The freedom of our people Is a just cause. The onslaught of a nation for bringing embarrassment on your own and the reclamation of your peoples glory. hidden by something you call the "will of god" is not just,


Vitoc dependent for going on 16 years. This is not helping me. This is not helping any of us. This mindset results in the war dragging on needlessly long, resulting in more bloodshed and death. I've had enough.

Zanziba'ar wrote:
Me, I am no scholar. I am a military man... I am not extremely intelligent but I know things that most don't. I know right from wrong. I know a liar as he stands there in his ship, From in his pod. These things I know.. I have watched My men be scattered amongst the stars by your templar while I leave unscathed. I have seen large battles between Pirate and Pirate, Empire and Empire. And I Will see... I will see the freedom of my people as it is right.


I like to think I know right from wrong. To say that those who do not agree with you "do not know right from wrong" is a bit of an insult. I am not an "intelligent" woman. I fight against the Crusade, though I do so more to defend my home than any desire to burn theirs. And i Like to think i know right from wrong.

Zanziba'ar wrote:
I will not stand for your actions and then hiding behind them in YULAI as a religious motion, an accident, a NON sanctioned attack that resulted in the deaths of thousands of Matari and often Gallente people.


What?

Zanziba'ar wrote:
I will see your ships, your fleets, your Empire and Your God torn down, Before the year is our you will be wishing your "empress" Jamyl Sarum had never resisted us.

Justice is swift, It is coming


Well, well... while I am no fan of Jamyl, thank you for promising to agitate the Empire to the point where they simply decide to declare all out war, and come for our homeworlds once more.... might want to stop and think if provoking this sort of thing is really what you want to try and do.

In short: Calm down. Fight, but fight to defend your brothers and sisters, to put pressure on the Empire to free those still enslaved, not to "Burn the empire". That. Is. Not. Helping. Us.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
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