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The case against Thera

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#101 - 2014-12-03 16:04:20 UTC
flaming phantom wrote:
I personally am looking forward to being able to quickly go somewhere and get a fight killed by a blob.

Fixed that for ya.

flaming phantom wrote:
Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement?

Someone with enough self-respect to not treat this game like a CoD title.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#102 - 2014-12-03 17:47:39 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place.

Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita?


Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera.

You'd still be less likely to find Thera than any other random wormhole that would inevitably lead to empire space. And the latter would be less dangerous.



While this may be true it doesn't eliminate the fact that you might very well link to threa sometime. and if it was being managed as a free port or even controlled by someone, you could still slip in and out if you did not want to run to jita.

That's the point. It can be used for all kinda of things. one of which being a moving trade hub. Sure not everyone will always have access to it, but then you do it could be a godsend or a hellish nightmare depending on who is living there.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#103 - 2014-12-03 19:18:06 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.

Greyscale response = best response.
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#104 - 2014-12-03 19:18:56 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".

That is all.


I see what you did there... LMAO!!!

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2014-12-04 03:08:10 UTC
For you voly ol pal I will unleash my legions and sit on it so you wont have to worry about it Twisted

The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2014-12-04 03:13:13 UTC
Cyndrogen wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".

That is all.


I see what you did there... LMAO!!!



Give them Vodka and they will be Thera-pisseds.

Then you can attack them while they are AFK having a Thera-pee .
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#107 - 2014-12-04 03:16:41 UTC
Eve players are hard to please, c'mon lets just call it as we see it.

There is no case against Thera because it is simply part of the game, I think we forget that we are playing a game that is set in the distant future where many different storylines are possible. An NPC entity has worked out how to put stations in wormholes and Thera is the result. end of story.

In my opinion Thera will be an amazing place which will create PVP and trade opportunities. I think it is a great place for a blue community to thrive.

Thera is a place where teamwork will be the crucial factor in achieving success. I'm considering doing another Hub Zero there which I am sure will be epic even if it fails.

CCP has done well on this one, this really is a remarkable sci-fi adventure.



Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#108 - 2014-12-08 01:21:10 UTC
flaming phantom wrote:
Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement?


I'm guessing you haven't ever been laid.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Sundial Hakaari
Leshak Bros. Wrecking and Towing Inc.
Anomalous Secs
#109 - 2014-12-08 04:01:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sundial Hakaari
Thera is no more like a battleground/RvR zone than any other individual system in EVE is.

Is the player limited? No.
Are there set teams in the game or matchmaking? No, its complete decided by the players.
Is entering Thera done with a queuing system and/or fast travel? No, you enter Thera from within new Eden without any sort of queue or matchmaking system.
Are there set objectives / scoring systems / winners and losers? No, its up to the players.

So to sum it up, Thera is completely player driven in all aspects that could qualify it as a "battlezone"

This is one of the weakest analogies I have come across in my online days.
dark heartt
#110 - 2014-12-08 07:13:52 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Hi sec players wont be going to Thera.

And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players.

You get the picture.



I will be. Just saying.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Tarko Auduin
Hatfield FX
#111 - 2014-12-08 21:25:08 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Even if your view was correct, i.e. that thera is just another system, it would still hurt open world pvp by its introduction. More systems spread out a thin population making it harder to find pvp in the open world. OFC if thera is successful and reaches a significant concentration of players, well then those players by definition are not elsewhere, thus pvp elsewhere is hurt. Either way open world pvp takes a hit.


Quick! Everyone to Jita, set the sec status to 0.0, and close the rest of EVE!

If theres only one system, then everyone HAS to be there!

Maximum population density!

Free Markets!

Fights!

EVE is saved!
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#112 - 2014-12-08 22:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Because I am contrarian:

Eve is promoted as an open world pvp game.

The antithesis of an open world pvp game is battle zones.

In open world mmos where battle zones have been introduced open world pvp has greatly suffered.

A battle zone is about "immediate pvp", whereas open world games typically eschew instant pvp in favor of a hunting style.

When battle zones are introduced in an open world game, a significant percentage of players will abandon the open world game in favor of obtaining instant pvp. In other words, the battle zones suck the pvp out of the open world areas like a vacuum, killing open world play.

Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights.

If players are in Thera they are not, by definition, in the rest of eve living, fighting and dying. Consequently, Thera harms open world pvp in eve by removing players from systems where they would normally be living, roaming and fighting and placing them in a single location. The more Thera is a success, the more it hurts pvp in the rest of the game. After all, why should some player spend hours roaming through lowsec looking for fights when they can just log into Thera?

Recently CCP devs have been hell bent on gimmicky systems such as the ESS, fatigue, the MJD, etc. . . Thera is just another of these gimmicky ideas that seem good on the surface but with serious flaws under the surface.

If CCP truly wanted to promote an open world pvp play style, rather then relying on gimmicks, it would be substantially better if CCP improved lowsec and null giving players more reasons to live and fight in those area.

P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone.


I resubscribed just to say that this...is idiocy.

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#113 - 2014-12-10 00:34:36 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.

How's that for a last dev post?
FaDe-iN
TaXEvaTioN
#114 - 2014-12-10 00:44:49 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:


Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights.

(...)

P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone.


...Delete FW? Also, ban RvB? Hint: instant PvP is already organized by the players and is fun.


I got to say, FW is deff instant pvp for the most part. But not easy pvp. It is a great mechanic that gives ppl that only have a few hours to play a nite the access to instant eve pvp.

I am having a blast here, though Amarr do seem to have some serious numbers atm. More to shot at me!!!