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A few questions about the game, need answers from experience people

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#41 - 2014-12-06 03:45:04 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
I was more annoyed at his cheating comment. *shrugs* learning is just that, learning. But its one thing to ask 'why am I doing this wrong, please help' then to go 'why am I doing this wrong... but i'm sure the guys are cheating'

Sorry if it was a bit arsey, wasn't having a go at you in particular. I don't think vets should snap at newbies where possible, even if/when they make foolish remarks. It's an infuriating game, and if people are trying it solo and get worked up they are going to rant at some point. We're not exactly encouraging people to reach out and start engaging with others if they ask questions then get yelled at just for opening their mouths.



While true there's a difference between a newbie going "uhm, help" and a newbie going "well, this ****'s ******, it's full of cheaters and hacks> This is completely wrong, that should work differently and I don't agree to your logical explanation about game mechanics!".

The first one should, and generally gets, get all the help possible. The second type can diaf, preferably on a slow burning fire lit by me, laughed at and given a good schrubbery. If he chooses to act like a 5 year old kid, we'll treat him like one.
dark heartt
#42 - 2014-12-06 03:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
ISD LackOfFaith, you're killing it in this thread.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#43 - 2014-12-06 03:49:36 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Fun fact that this thread inspired me to fimd out: at max skills, the longest warp disruption range on a Garmur is 54km.

Max scram range is 20.6 km.

At least, that's as high as I could get it.

Add Claymore boosts. With a RF warp disruptor, that makes the range 60.5 km cold, 71 km heated. With a TS warp scrambler, the range is 22.7 km cold, 26.6 km hot.

Which also feeds into the ridiculous speeds it can reach. For good measure, put some high grade snakes in, and some quafe zero and Zor's custom nav link, and you get 6256 m/s cold. 8791 m/s hot. Fun, eh?


I did not know there were boosters that affected that. Learn something new everyday Big smile


For disruptor, scram and web range: Skirmish - Interdiction Maneuvers

For AB/MWD speed boost: Skirmish - Rapid Deployment


ISD LackOfLock.. are you actually trying to set off another ******* OGB whinethread bomb in GD??!?!?!?!?!!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#44 - 2014-12-06 09:28:48 UTC
Nickolai Alaric wrote:
No, sadly, I don't bother frapsing games unless I'm trying to make a vid. What I said is more or less true, I might have missed some non important details, but that's about the sum of it. .


From reading all this I would suggest you convo on the pilots that killed you and fraps your videos for a later on debriefing.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#45 - 2014-12-06 09:33:19 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:


While true there's a difference between a newbie going "uhm, help" and a newbie going "well, this ****'s ******, it's full of cheaters and hacks> This is completely wrong, that should work differently and I don't agree to your logical explanation about game mechanics!".

The first one should, and generally gets, get all the help possible. The second type can diaf, preferably on a slow burning fire lit by me, laughed at and given a good schrubbery. If he chooses to act like a 5 year old kid, we'll treat him like one.

Note to Self: do not ask Gregor to baby sitShocked

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Serene Repose
#46 - 2014-12-06 10:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
...PVP is a very different beast from PVE, with a very high skill/knowledge ceiling and no "fair" fights. Keep a positive outlook, work with people, and blow up a lot. You'll get it bit by bit.
Isn't he smart? I always said he was smart! ("This doesn't mean we'll be
swapping slobber in the shower." -Gunny Highway-)

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-12-06 11:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
Nickolai Alaric wrote:
Kills

1) Damps
2) Pretty normal, You have 0 trans and he's prob stacked on SeBos. Also, Large guns.
3) See above point 2 - Also you took like 13k damage, which would suggest the hardeners weren't turned on.
4) Overheated faction prop mod (hisprevious loss shows a-types) and people in Garmurs usually have links.
5) Looking at that killmail, 82% of the damage was done by sleepers, he probably just waited for you to get some nice aggro, and then piled on his torps on top of what was already shooting you PvE wise.
6) Geckos. Your mega took about 88k damage. So that fight probably took closer to 1-2 minutes.

Some of these losses are hard to avoid, but imo:

1) You don't engage a destroyer with a frig, you picked the wrong fight.
2) Keep transversal up.
3) Same as above, transversal.
4) You picked the wrong fight.
5) D-Scan and why no small or medium drones in your hold?
6) Half your damage taken is from sleepers, you need to spam D-Scan while in J-Space.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-12-06 13:00:09 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:


Also, 55k ehp is very, very low for a battleship.


55k on a battleship is downright anemic. A well fit armor tanked battleship can easily get over 100k EHP. If you don't have at least 75 - 80k EHP, you are either doing something very wrong, or you lack the skills necessary to pilot one effectively.


All V shows that mega at 61.6k, not sure what to think now.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#49 - 2014-12-07 00:31:08 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
ISD LackOfLock.. are you actually trying to set off another ******* OGB whinethread bomb in GD??!?!?!?!?!!
No he did not. He's participating in what turns out to be a reasonably good and quite interesting discussion on PvP, PvP tactics and fits.

Please keep it that way and do not throw it off course.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Isalone
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-12-08 12:53:37 UTC
Pretty much everything has been explained already, I'd just like to address two things.

When engaging in pvp (most of the times but pretty much always if it's a 1v1 or 1v2) you get an adrenaline rush, also known as "PVP shakes". Your heart starts pounding, palms are sweaty etc. This feeling gets less intense with time and the number of fights you had in your eve career but I don't believe it ever disappears completely. In reality those fights took much longer but for you it seemed like a few seconds.

Joe Risalo wrote:
[quote=Nickolai Alaric]
Also, adaptive nano plating modules will buff the resists of the specific types of damage you take, however, it is not instant.
They react and modify over time.
Therefore, at the time of attack, you likely didn't have much resists at all, making it much easier to burn you down.

That's not how adaptive platings work. Adaptive platings increase resists by a fixed amount, just like energized adaptive nano membranes. They offer less resists than EANM's but require very little fitting resources. You were talking about a reactive armor hardener.

To the OP: you seem like a great future pvper. You didn't give up even though you got killed many times and started investigating the matter and looking for answers. I'd say join a training corp, make a skill plan for one or two ships you like to fly and keep going, you'll get there eventually. Feel free to convo me ingame for some isk for your future engagements and a word of advice.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-12-08 13:04:09 UTC
Isalone wrote:
Pretty much everything has been explained already, I'd just like to address two things.

When engaging in pvp (most of the times but pretty much always if it's a 1v1 or 1v2) you get an adrenaline rush, also known as "PVP shakes". Your heart starts pounding, palms are sweaty etc. This feeling gets less intense with time and the number of fights you had in your eve career but I don't believe it ever disappears completely. In reality those fights took much longer but for you it seemed like a few seconds.

Joe Risalo wrote:
[quote=Nickolai Alaric]
Also, adaptive nano plating modules will buff the resists of the specific types of damage you take, however, it is not instant.
They react and modify over time.
Therefore, at the time of attack, you likely didn't have much resists at all, making it much easier to burn you down.

That's not how adaptive platings work. Adaptive platings increase resists by a fixed amount, just like energized adaptive nano membranes. They offer less resists than EANM's but require very little fitting resources. You were talking about a reactive armor hardener.

To the OP: you seem like a great future pvper. You didn't give up even though you got killed many times and started investigating the matter and looking for answers. I'd say join a training corp, make a skill plan for one or two ships you like to fly and keep going, you'll get there eventually. Feel free to convo me ingame for some isk for your future engagements and a word of advice.


Yeah, I realized that mistake after posting... just too lazy and not caring enough to change it..
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#52 - 2014-12-08 19:17:32 UTC
There's a lot of great advice in this thread. So I won't rehash what they've said. You've done the first two things right; you left hisec and you asked for help.

I notice most of your fits seem to be Gallente Blaster boats. You're right about blasters having excellent tracking and dps. But they are extremely short-range weapons, literally the shortest ranged weapons in the game. Many of your losses are to longer-ranged platforms like Cormorants, Gilas, and Moas.

Some of your fits are pretty bad, but not in a bad way. For example: https://zkillboard.com/kill/28278726/

Multiple open slots and use of generally substandard modules like Adaptive Nano Plating instead of Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes is typically an indicator of poor core fitting skills or lack of SP. Good news is that this is easily corrected by training core fitting skills to increase your available power grid and CPU. Most of these are now located in the Engineering skill set.

Rigs no longer have prerequisites and come in multiple sizes. So there's never an excuse not to have them except in certain very niche situations. You can use them to increase your available fitting resources, tank, offense, and a bunch of other useful things.

There is never an excuse for open low slots. Never. At worst you can fit a nanofiber and increase your speed and agility. In your case I think a fitting mod like a Reactor Control Unit or Coprocessor might have been in order. These will increase your total PG or CPU, respectively.

I notice your blasters were of 2 different types, the mid-ranged Ions, and short ranged Electrons. This again indicates a fitting issue. Not saying Electrons are bad. Sometimes you really can't squeeze more out of a fit or maybe you want that better tracking for shooting smaller targets.

Mid slots look fine, assuming you can't fit T2 modules yet.

I would definitely recommend joining RvB, Agony Unleashed, or another newbie friendly group to learn more about pvp mechanics.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Francis Inch
Kador Defence Initiative
#53 - 2014-12-08 19:54:03 UTC
Nickolai Alaric wrote:
I've been playing EVE for a year now on and off, training my skills etc, and I just can't deal with a few things that seem like bull.

Few experiences I've had so far:

1. Flying a Navy Comet built for speedtanking and low sig radius with 5k ehp. Caldari tech 1 destroyer flies in next to me, targets me, zapps me couple times, dead. During that time, even though he's 2-3km from me and I'm locked onto him, I can't use En Vamp(6.5k range) or Purp Inhi(10k range) or Warp Scram(9k range), none of them activate and there's no message to say 'you can't do this because of...', and my small hybrids miss him every shot, but his shots hit me every single time even though I'm orbiting around him at 2.5km and at 1km/s. How and why?

2. Flying Atron, warp to jumpgate, see Tornado 154k away from me. He locks onto me in 2 sec(he started firing at me before my warp turned off fully). 1 shot 80% health off(I had 4k ehp). For some reason I can't even right click-approach on him. I pop microwarp and start zooming to him trying to dodge, but next shot hits and kills me. How(mostly curious about his locking ability)?

3. Flying Brutix armor tank, 43k ehp. See Talos 165k away from me. He locks on in couple seconds, hits me and destroys me in 5 sec(2 hits). How?

4. Flying Catalyst, see Garmur warp in. He's flying 35km away from me and still warp disrupting me(possible I suppose) and firing missiles at me. 3 hits - dead. I warp(in a capsule) to 200km away where I had saved location, see him flying after me at 12km/s. I activate warp in a capsule and he travels 50k before I warp. How?

5. Farming sleepers in Myrmidon, Hound flies in. Starts orbiting me at 30 km distance, passing 90 degrees in 2 seconds(2r*Pi/4/2=60*3.14/4/2=23.55km/s). Whole time firing torps at me that take 25% of my armor per hit(I had 10k armor and 73%(64% EM resist) all resist). HOW?

6. Flying a Megathron with 55k ehp, 73%(63% EM resist) armor resist all and 2000 armor repair per 10 sec. Gila flies in, puts 2 drones on me and destroys me in 10 seconds. How?

I have most skills for my ships on lvl 3-5, and it seems like everyone I encounter overkills me by an insane amount. I'm lucky if I get a scratch on an enemy ship before I'm destroyed. Also, my weapons seem to miss 9/10 of the shots on enemy players even though I'm within optimal range, I'm not track disrupted and I'm flying a frigate with blasters which have an extremely fast tracking speed. I miss NPCs very rarely(maybe 1/10 times).

Anyone has any clue as to what I'm doing wrong and how what happened to me is possible, because I'm seriously starting to suspect this game is abundant in cheaters.



Read first sentence. Checked killmails listed. Character is over 2 years old. Can't get that right, then perception clearly not reliable. Best advice for any pvp is to keep doing it so that you begin to get past the panicked rush and start to analyse it rationally.
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#54 - 2014-12-08 22:28:39 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
ISD LackOfLock.. are you actually trying to set off another ******* OGB whinethread bomb in GD??!?!?!?!?!!
No he did not. He's participating in what turns out to be a reasonably good and quite interesting discussion on PvP, PvP tactics and fits.

Please keep it that way and do not throw it off course.


You were warned by the boss Big smileP

**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#55 - 2014-12-09 04:06:57 UTC
I was going to tell the OP to solve his PVP woes by avoiding PVP but there appears to be better advice in this thread.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-12-09 06:43:26 UTC
Nickolai Alaric wrote:
I've been playing EVE for a year now on and off, training my skills etc, and I just can't deal with a few things that seem like bull.

Few experiences I've had so far:

1. Flying a Navy Comet built for speedtanking and low sig radius with 5k ehp. Caldari tech 1 destroyer flies in next to me, targets me, zapps me couple times, dead. During that time, even though he's 2-3km from me and I'm locked onto him, I can't use En Vamp(6.5k range) or Purp Inhi(10k range) or Warp Scram(9k range), none of them activate and there's no message to say 'you can't do this because of...', and my small hybrids miss him every shot, but his shots hit me every single time even though I'm orbiting around him at 2.5km and at 1km/s. How and why?

2. Flying Atron, warp to jumpgate, see Tornado 154k away from me. He locks onto me in 2 sec(he started firing at me before my warp turned off fully). 1 shot 80% health off(I had 4k ehp). For some reason I can't even right click-approach on him. I pop microwarp and start zooming to him trying to dodge, but next shot hits and kills me. How(mostly curious about his locking ability)?

3. Flying Brutix armor tank, 43k ehp. See Talos 165k away from me. He locks on in couple seconds, hits me and destroys me in 5 sec(2 hits). How?

4. Flying Catalyst, see Garmur warp in. He's flying 35km away from me and still warp disrupting me(possible I suppose) and firing missiles at me. 3 hits - dead. I warp(in a capsule) to 200km away where I had saved location, see him flying after me at 12km/s. I activate warp in a capsule and he travels 50k before I warp. How?

5. Farming sleepers in Myrmidon, Hound flies in. Starts orbiting me at 30 km distance, passing 90 degrees in 2 seconds(2r*Pi/4/2=60*3.14/4/2=23.55km/s). Whole time firing torps at me that take 25% of my armor per hit(I had 10k armor and 73%(64% EM resist) all resist). HOW?

6. Flying a Megathron with 55k ehp, 73%(63% EM resist) armor resist all and 2000 armor repair per 10 sec. Gila flies in, puts 2 drones on me and destroys me in 10 seconds. How?

I have most skills for my ships on lvl 3-5, and it seems like everyone I encounter overkills me by an insane amount. I'm lucky if I get a scratch on an enemy ship before I'm destroyed. Also, my weapons seem to miss 9/10 of the shots on enemy players even though I'm within optimal range, I'm not track disrupted and I'm flying a frigate with blasters which have an extremely fast tracking speed. I miss NPCs very rarely(maybe 1/10 times).

Anyone has any clue as to what I'm doing wrong and how what happened to me is possible, because I'm seriously starting to suspect this game is abundant in cheaters.


1. That shouldn't be happening. Ie, operator error.

2. You sat there for at least 10 seconds after coming out of warp for him to be able to lock you. He only had to fit a sensor booster or 2 to be able to lock that far. This is a common thing, actually.

3. Impossible. This fit is pretty much the most damaging sniper Talos I can throw together in a short time. As you can see, it puts out 500 DPS with a 188km optimal range. Assuming your Brutix had 44k EHP, it would take this Talos approximately 88 seconds to destroy you. Also assuming he was 165+km away like you said, there is no possible way he could hold you down let alone deny you from warping for over a minute. Roll

4. Easily possible. You must not have had **** for tank and he was in a Garmur. Garmur has a warp disruptor range bonus and can go really really really really really really fast. Nothing to see here.

5. Stealth Bombers hurt. And the hound does explosive damage. Not to mention you were also taking damage from the sleeper rats. Nothing to see here.

6. First off, as a lover of Megathrons, stop. If your Mega has 55k EHP you shouldn't even be flying anything bigger than a Thorax yet, as you don't have the support skills or game knowledge to be more than a shiny killmail on someones killboard. Mega should have 150k ehp minimum, but can get to 300k ehp with slaves ogb and some investment in tanking module. As an example, most buffer tanked cruisers I fly for solo have around 55k ehp.

6.1. Assuming your Mega was active tanked (lel), a Gila easily puts out enough damage to break a single rep. Also, Gila has a huge medium drone bonus, but can only launch two at a time.


Most of all, eve is serverside. There are no "cheats" as you say there are. o7

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
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