Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Assault frig fleets are pretty badass \o/ one of the things I've always found odd is that there is a t2 variant of every frigate class, except for frigate logi.

What I'd propose as an idea is t2 frigate logi. The equivalent of t2 cruiser logi but on a smaller scale.

All frigate logi have the same stats more or less. T2 frigate logi should still get 10% bonus to remote rep (armor or shield) amount and 10% reduction in rep cost. 500% bonus to remote repairer range as the frigate bonus. Hulls would be based off of T1 Frigate Logi hulls (so inquisitor, bantam, navitas, burst).

All hulls would be slightly slower than the t1 variants, but with more base HP and higher base resists. T2 Logistics Frigate skill would add further bonus based on level (as with all other t2 hulls) - but I have no idea for what that should be, since it would be important that t2 frigates not be OP.

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There are two problems with the current T1 logistical frigates - their poor resists and relatively poor ranges. The 500% bonus to range amounts to 28km from T2 reppers, which is pretty small.

Their EHP is also fairly low.

A Burst has 0% EM, 20% Thermal, 40% kinetic and 50% explosive resists and 400 HP shield base, for 550 EHP. At all 5's this goes to 500 shield HP and 690 EHP base. To make the Burst tanky requires filing mid slots with resists, or rgs. This gets you around 4.8K EHP with common fittings.

If you give the T2 frigate logi T2 resists you should be able to get a reasonable tank from them. eg, using the Jaguar as a template with 75% EM, 60% Thermal, 40% Kinetic and 50% Explosive resists, 830 shield gives 1900 base shield EHP. At all 5's 1040 shield results in 2.38K EHP. That is without any shield resist mods.

This would be enough by itself to make them effective. You could easily end up with 8-11K EHP tanks on your T2 logi frigates.

I think that the T2 hull bonuses for T2 logistic frigate skill could be a 10% increase in MWD duration (ie; uses less capacitor), or 10% sig radius bonus, or an increase in sensor strength of 10% per level, because frigate logi are particularly susceptible to ECM.

That might not be a bad idea. T2 frigate logi with a bonus to AB speed would probably be useful even in cruiser up fleet comps.

If they followed on with the same sort of bonuses T2 Logi cruisers have vs T1 Support cruisers, then a T2 Logi frigate would actually be fitting Medium remote reps, so that would cover repair amount there, and would even give some bonus range even if the range bonus were dialed back a bit. Still, given their size, and the fact they are meant to support groups with smaller ships which, due to the ranges on weapons, tend not to be as spread out, I don't think they are wanting for too much extra range. Maybe out to 35-40K at the most.

Regarding secondary bonuses, would you want energy transfer and remote tracking computers like the cruiser counterparts, or would a different bonus be in order and would it still be support oriented?

As for speed bonuses, I am not so sure those would be needed. The T1 versions are reasonably able to keep up with other frigates, and I see no reason to change that for the T2 versions. I would definitely veto MWD sig radius bonuses, though. My thought is that if they give any more ships a bonus to that, they should just go ahead and lower the sig bloom on 1mn MWDs

I think they should just lower the sig bloom to 350% and reduce the sig bloom bonus on the ships that have it. Assault frigates don't need a sig radius bloom reduction, it was MWDs in general that were giving too much sig radius in the first place. Sure, at +500% speed, the +500% sig radius bonus gives your opponents the tracking boost they need to nullify the MWD's speed-tanking use, but most of the time you're using it you aren't at full speed and most ships can't actually get +500% speed out of it because their mass is over "par".

I would love to have a tech 2 logi frigate, but the only things I want are some better base shield resists and some better agility/less mass. These ships handle like cruisers instead of frigates.

This is actually why they are my favourite logi.

coming from a logi pilot, i love how you have to be a pretty decent pilot to get the most out of them. You can easily fly out your range or accidentally get yourself into a sticky situation.

most balanced and fun logi ever. More like this plox.

I'd actually be down for a T2 logi nerf, specifically EHP, rep range and rep-amount. But it could be softened with a mobility and sig buff (read a sig buff means it takes longer for friendly logi to lock as well). id even do something similar to the range of T1 logi cruisers. What you end up with is something less strategic (making sure you have enough reps and then just sitting, not moving much and cycling reps at targets) but more tactical (positioning and pilot skill becomes more important).

As for lowering bonuses but buffing the mods themselves, it would make unbonused ships less of a joke. so sure.

thats kind of my issue

defending fleet sees logi, fits fleet comp, checks numbers for dps then decides to engage or not.
attacking fleet sees defenders undock, checks numbers for dps and fleet comp, decides whether to go home or not.

it does not necessarily have to be a buff or nerf (EHP and dps-tank can theoretically be equalised by tweaking sig and mobility), but shifting things to a more pilot orientated game and less of a numbers game.