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Call for an upgrade drone boat (from Domi)
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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#1 - 2014-12-05 01:52:56 UTC
Hey folks, its such a shame that the best drone boat currently in the game is a T1 battleship, namely the Dominix. Even the Navy Dominix is worse (as a pure drone boat). The only other ship I would call decent is the Rattlesnake, but that one is rather a hybrid.

Please bring some sort of more expansive (read better) T2 or faction drone boat to upgrade from the Dominix or rethink the skill boni on the Dominix Navy Issue to make it an actual upgrade from the Dominix.

Yay 10 years! :D
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#2 - 2014-12-05 02:08:55 UTC
Haha!
Ahahahahahaha
ha...haha...ha...
Oh wait, you sounded somewhat serious there, but I can't fathom why.

Going against my better instincts I will reply:
Given the great place drones are in right now, you cannot be serious. Drones are probably in the best shape out of any weapon in Eve, currently.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2014-12-05 02:11:12 UTC
I'd love the navy domi to just be a domi with one more slot and a bit more fitting, but we don't need any substantial upgrade from the base domi, would get rather silly.
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-12-05 02:46:58 UTC
Call it...The Potato Mrk2 Lol

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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#5 - 2014-12-05 03:23:30 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Going against my better instincts I will reply:
Given the great place drones are in right now, you cannot be serious. Drones are probably in the best shape out of any weapon in Eve, currently.


Maybe I should have made that clear from the beginning; drones are in good shape right now and the recent buffs actually kinda overcame the dated and basic AI of them. So I am not asking for a general buff on drones.
It would be just great if there were an upgrade option for a drone oriented character. Every other weapon in Eve has viable T2 or faction ships, that are an upgrade from their basic T1 entry ships.
Only with drones a Dominix at 180mil a hull is actually the end of the line with no further progression. To me that feels wrong and I believe there should be a viable upgrade option.

Like Anhenka said, an updated Navy Dominix with better stats/more slots and primarily drone bonuses would be great and nicely fill the hole.

Yay 10 years! :D
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#6 - 2014-12-05 03:37:34 UTC
ishtar? carrier?

With the rebalancing of ships, many navy variants got a slight role difference to their T1 counterparts, making some T1 ships even better at that one particular thing they do.

honestly i prefer it this way and dont see a need for an even bigger better drone focused ship.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2014-12-05 07:13:01 UTC
The Thanatos is what you want.

You can't use it in High sec? Well, that's too bad for you, because not everything the game offers is available in High sec. Go deeper into the game and use more content of the game.

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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#8 - 2014-12-05 08:43:45 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
With the rebalancing of ships, many navy variants got a slight role difference to their T1 counterparts, making some T1 ships even better at that one particular thing they do.

honestly i prefer it this way and dont see a need for an even bigger better drone focused ship.


Then let me repeat myself; drones are the only weapon skill where you have no way to upgrade from a T1 battleship hull. With every other weapon skill Eve offers you a choice to invest more isk and therefore risk more to fly a ship more capable to get the job done.

Rivr Luzade wrote:
The Thanatos is what you want.

You can't use it in High sec? Well, that's too bad for you, because not everything the game offers is available in High sec. Go deeper into the game and use more content of the game.


*yawn*

There we go again. Another dum**** trying to tell people how to play Eve. Dont you guys never tire of it? Eve is a sandbox and there are different types of players and quite frankly without meaningfull high sec gameplay I would have quit this game years ago. Actually I encourage CCP to remove high sec altogether and watch who will be left afterwards. That should be quite interesting and probably stop kids screaming nullsec all the time.

P.S. Not everyting is available in highsec, true, except for every other weapon skill there is a hull upgrade over T1. You might not like it or want to see it, but its still a fact.

Yay 10 years! :D
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2014-12-05 10:05:20 UTC
I am not telling you how to play your game, that's totally up to you. I am just telling you that advanced tools/features/activities of the game are just not available for your area of space. And I never get tired of telling players and CCP that this ought to stay this way.
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P.S. Not everyting is available in highsec, true, except for every other weapon skill there is a hull upgrade over T1. You might not like it or want to see it, but its still a fact.

The upgrade to my Abaddon is the Revelation, the upgrade to my Geddon is the Archon. I don't see either in High sec. Same goes for Mael/Naglfar, Raven/Phoenix, Hyperion+Megathron/Moros and for the kind of logistics Guardian+Augoror/Archon, Scimi+Scythe/Nidhoggur, etc. Some upgrades to previous levels are just to big to give them to children. Blink

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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#10 - 2014-12-05 10:24:24 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
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P.S. Not everyting is available in highsec, true, except for every other weapon skill there is a hull upgrade over T1. You might not like it or want to see it, but its still a fact.

The upgrade to my Abaddon is the Revelation, the upgrade to my Geddon is the Archon. I don't see either in High sec. Same goes for Mael/Naglfar, Raven/Phoenix, Hyperion+Megathron/Moros and for the kind of logistics Guardian+Augoror/Archon, Scimi+Scythe/Nidhoggur, etc. Some upgrades to previous levels are just to big to give them to children. Blink


If you are not willing to talk about facts and what is actually available in the game please stay away from this thread. I have no interest in feeding trolls. If you do not know enough about weapons in Eve and which hulls are best suited for them, I encourage you to check out EFT and make a quick comparison. You might notice there is a lot between T1 battleships and capitals for every weapon skill except Drones, where is actually nothing between Dominix and Thanatos.

Yay 10 years! :D
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2014-12-05 10:33:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Like? I don't see any better Laser platform between the Abaddon/Apoc and the Revelation on the T1 level, nor respectively for Projectiles, Hybrids or Missiles. There are T2 platforms (Marauders for the gun/launcher based hulls as well as the Sin for Drones), but no upgrade whatsoever on the T1 level. You see, I am often very interested in broadening my knowledge; henceforth, I am genuinely interested to learn which T1 platform is an upgrade for guns/launchers but not a capital, which drones lack.

Navy ships aren't because they are gun boats to differentiate from the mere T1 hulls. Pirate ships are for the most part also gun boats with big racial ewar bonus in order to differentiate from mere T1 hulls and Navy hulls. The Rattlesnake is the best drone boat around and far superior than the Dominix, due to the HP bonus and damage bonus to drones. Add more to that and you get a ship that is so out of balance compared to other ships that it turns out next to impossible to balance properly.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-12-05 10:41:02 UTC
Only upgrade I want on the domi is the remodel so it isn't so damn ugly...then I might fly one :D

And the gila may well be the best drone boat in the game depending on your preferred combat/flight style...
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#13 - 2014-12-05 10:46:06 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Like? I don't see any better Laser platform between the Abaddon/Apoc and the Revelation on the T1 level, nor respectively for Projectiles, Hybrids or Missiles. There are T2 platforms (Marauders for the gun/launcher based hulls as well as the Sin for Drones), but no upgrade whatsoever on the T1 level. You see, I am often very interested in broadening my knowledge; henceforth, I am genuinely interested to learn which T1 platform is an upgrade for guns/launchers but not a capital, which drones lack.

Navy Apoc wants a word with you. Same bonuses, more tank and a grid to kill for. straight upgrade by moving out of the t1 category.

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Navy ships aren't because they are gun boats to differentiate from the mere T1 hulls. Pirate ships are for the most part also gun boats with big racial ewar bonus in order to differentiate from mere T1 hulls and Navy hulls.

uhm, theres a couple of pirate ships that want a word with you in the woodshed, eer cargo rig....

Like the machariel, with the triple bonus to projectile performance, and a role bonus for warp speed.
After that alphas something, lets look at the lovely rattlesnake, which fields 2 super bonused drones and a missile bonus, but no EWAR bonus.
And then to the nightmare, which is a pirate marauder which is only missing bastion to completely dominate everything forever.
And finally, the nestor, which is in bad shape, but definitely fields no EWAR bonus.

Of the pirate hulls, both the Rattlesnake and the nestor could easily be considered a major upgrade from the domi depending on usage and doctrine.

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Tineoidea Asanari
Liga Freier Terraner
Northern Coalition.
#14 - 2014-12-05 10:57:39 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Like? I don't see any better Laser platform between the Abaddon/Apoc and the Revelation on the T1 level, nor respectively for Projectiles, Hybrids or Missiles. There are T2 platforms (Marauders for the gun/launcher based hulls as well as the Sin for Drones), but no upgrade whatsoever on the T1 level. You see, I am often very interested in broadening my knowledge; henceforth, I am genuinely interested to learn which T1 platform is an upgrade for guns/launchers but not a capital, which drones lack.


The Apoc has the Navy Apoc which has alot more fitting ressources, better stats overall and a lowslot more. Abaddon, Mael, etc. dont have faction versions, but there are faction alternatives, that outperform them. The Sin is not a better droneboat than the Dominix/Ishtar.

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The Rattlesnake is the best drone boat around and far superior than the Dominix, due to the HP bonus and damage bonus to drones. Add more to that and you get a ship that is so out of balance compared to other ships that it turns out next to impossible to balance properly.


I agree.
Drones are ridiculously overpowered in the current metagame and should not receive better hulls then there are currently. Maybe nerf Dominix/Ishtar and then buff the Navy Dominix... But the droneboats overall are already stronger vessels than most of the others.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2014-12-05 11:28:33 UTC
Azure Moonlight wrote:
Hey folks, its such a shame that the best drone boat currently in the game is a T1 battleship, namely the Dominix. Even the Navy Dominix is worse (as a pure drone boat). The only other ship I would call decent is the Rattlesnake, but that one is rather a hybrid.

Please bring some sort of more expansive (read better) T2 or faction drone boat to upgrade from the Dominix or rethink the skill boni on the Dominix Navy Issue to make it an actual upgrade from the Dominix.


Why do you need an upgrade if you already got the best?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2014-12-05 12:09:50 UTC
@James Baboli Fair enough points with the Navpoc and the pirate battleships. However, judging from his opening post and further elaborations, it seems to me that s/he desires something like the Rattlesnake, but with 5 super drones instead of only 2. A relatively unspectacular stats upgrade as the Navpoc has doesn't seem to be in her/his mind.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2014-12-05 12:44:47 UTC
So the OP is just going to ignore the sin, carriers and supers?
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#18 - 2014-12-05 12:45:01 UTC
so a carrier then? (yea i didn't read the other posts but they're definatly asking for a carrier right?)
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-12-05 17:38:30 UTC
If a new navy domi was added that added that had the same bonuses as the T1 domi the only way it could possibly be balanced is with an additional high slot. Having a low slot for more tank/damage or another mid for more ewar would be bad.

As it stands now the domi is one of the strongest battleships in eve. It's one of the few ships that pulls off the generalist role without being trash.
Ryd Berg
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-12-05 17:57:41 UTC
I like the idea of a second set of marauders, these would use the secondary weapon sets of each race (or first weapon set for gal)
So I think it would be
amarr - drones
caldari - hybrids
minmatar - missles
gallente - drones, actually just move the kronos to the second set and have the drone using marauder as the original.

These ships wouldnt be very unique, just another choice for elite pve. If someone starts out training drones for lvl 4s, they get shafted when it comes to marauders.
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