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NO Skillpoints Loss upon non updated clone death is superbad!

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Cown
Opus Dei.
#21 - 2014-12-02 17:46:09 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
A penalty is a feature.

Then, the rookies. As a rookie I lost SPs. It was just part of the process to learn that EVE is a tough environment. One the no loss upon no upgrade will trivialise.

Will u feel the same thrill, when u PVP, if you could not lose your ship?

SPs loss is a different mechanic, but still a loss. A loss that sucks. A loss you don't want, and there is one thing you can do it to not prevent it, that is to not update your clone.

Wanna make SPs loss different? Implement new game mechanics, do not remove the SPs loss. That is terribad!!! A trivialisation of an awesome game, one that, can be said without hyperboles, to be among the very best in the whole game history.


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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#22 - 2014-12-02 18:17:40 UTC
The clone change is a nerf to the death penalty and a removal of an isk sink. Both are bad.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#23 - 2014-12-02 18:20:55 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
I think it is a bad idea to remove one of the best game mechanics ever thought in order to make the life of zillions SP toons easier.



So, what you're actually saying is that I'm posting in a stealth "nerf high-SP characters" thread..... got it.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#24 - 2014-12-02 18:21:22 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
The clone change is a nerf to the death penalty and a removal of an isk sink. Both are bad.

Okay Mr. Armchair Economist, now I'm going to put you on the spot, and ask why exactly the removal of an ISK sink is a bad thing. Let's see what kind of uninformed, populist nonsense you're going to parrot out.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#25 - 2014-12-02 18:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Also, "because I had to put up with it" is a crappy excuse to keep a pointless feature.

Why don't we just completely remove capitals, warp-to-0, jump clones, and T2, and re-insert the learning skills and uninformative tutorials, because those of us who were around in 2003 had to do it?

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Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-12-02 18:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Moneta Curran
He just jelly that now he'll never catch up.
These are tears.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#27 - 2014-12-02 18:30:07 UTC
Do we really need two **** threads about a **** "feature"?

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2014-12-02 18:31:53 UTC
I am not quite sure yet how this will change pvp-behaviour in New Eden.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#29 - 2014-12-02 18:34:51 UTC
If they were going to leave it at simply removing the penalty I might tentatively agree with you.

However in other threads you have chosen to ignore, the possibilities that open up for new clone and death mechanics are amazing... most of which will work far more sensibly if the pointless "Death Tax" goes away.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#30 - 2014-12-02 18:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I am not quite sure yet how this will change pvp-behaviour in New Eden.

You're going to see a fairly sharp increase in small to mid-sized ship combat, and groups like Red vs Blue will receive an influx of faces that are actually recognizable instead of only their anonymous lower skilled alts.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2014-12-02 18:50:21 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I am not quite sure yet how this will change pvp-behaviour in New Eden.

You're going to see a fairly sharp increase in small to mid-sized ship combat, and groups like Red vs Blue will receive an influx of faces that are actually recognizable instead of only their anonymous lower skilled alts.


I do not even know where RvsB are fighting...are they low sec or High sec?
I dont think there will be much impact on existing Low sec or 0.0 dwellers...following your argument I can see an increase of pilots going into low sec though...

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Josef Djugashvilis
#32 - 2014-12-02 18:54:54 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made. The possibility of a vet to become a noob toon by not updating their clone is a HUGE democratic feature in EVE, which is such an interesting game also, I would say almost predominantly, because you can lose everything!!!

I hope many player will agree with this and make CCP revisit their idea to remove SPs losses.

Yours truly.


Biomass - start again as a brand spanking new player.

Much easier method than repeated pod deaths to become a, 'noob toon' as you put it..

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Adunh Slavy
#33 - 2014-12-02 19:03:00 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
A penalty is a feature.



Next time you get podded, send me the ISK you would have had to pay prior to the change. I will hold it in escrow for you.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-12-02 19:16:32 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
A penalty is a feature.



Next time you get podded, send me the ISK you would have had to pay prior to the change. I will hold it in escrow for you.


A better idea would be for him to petition ccp to have his characters SP reduced by 10% every time he is podded after his first podding after the update.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#35 - 2014-12-02 19:24:56 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made. The possibility of a vet to become a noob toon by not updating their clone is a HUGE democratic feature in EVE, which is such an interesting game also, I would say almost predominantly, because you can lose everything!!!

I hope many player will agree with this and make CCP revisit their idea to remove SPs losses.

Yours truly.


You do realise a vet would need tens if not hundreds of alpha clone loss to really get back to newbie SP levels?


I must have missed something with a percentage loss, last time i saw someone die with a non upgraded clone, guy was bragging in smart and got ganked on the undock and loss the sp down to base levels

On the upside I like clone fees leaving as I may attempt to pvp again as corps try to use a tackler and don't like 52m idk to replace a clone

On the downside we can expect high sp ganker, which is bad enough with 1 day old insta lock destroyer pilots

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#36 - 2014-12-02 19:33:45 UTC
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