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KEYBOARD MACRO?!?!?! (no botting)

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Lee Sin Priest
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-12-02 16:55:20 UTC
Literally unable to find a straight answer on this topic

CCP's old stance (or GM lelouch's, but god knows what happened to him) on keyboard macro's has been that as long as game play is not automated it is legal

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10&_ga=1.41598498.1807627819.1415900950#274


Also post from GM 2011:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
(Also wondering whether this stance is still current)

Could i get a response on the current stance of use of keyboard macros as to whether they are legal or illegal
When petitioned as to the change was redirected to the Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation thread as there were apparently clarifications, the one with over 100 pages of Jita worthy gravel I may hesitate to touch with a gank fit catalyst

So down to the question: Are the use of keyboard macros legal, provided they do not have any "if/when" criteria and they do not automate gameplay (no bot mining)

There have been many threads under the search criteria "Keyboard macro" and it seems like people have been using them to turn on / off all hardeners, click repeatedly or cycle guns, would be interested in knowing the answer as my recent purchase of a macro built-in keyboard may be beneficial to my convenience and health reasons (hand cramps Blink )
Prince Kobol
#2 - 2014-12-02 17:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
I petitioned a very similar question and was told if you are in doubt do not use it...

Helpful isn't it

The reason I raised the petition is that I have multiple key board short cuts mapped to 1 key.

My view is that I am going to continue as normal until told otherwise.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#3 - 2014-12-02 17:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
The change isn't even out yet and already legitimate questions are going unanswered leaving people in questionable positions. Surprise surprise.

I hate all of this "We must make the line as fuzzy as possible!" bullcrap.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2014-12-02 17:04:39 UTC
AFAIK, if it's a keyboard function, it's ok, if you use a program to simulate it, it's a violation.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2014-12-02 17:04:59 UTC

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571

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Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#6 - 2014-12-02 17:25:23 UTC
8 years
4 toons
Countless battles.

I still mouse click everything :|

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#7 - 2014-12-02 17:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Abrazzar wrote:
AFAIK, if it's a keyboard function, it's ok, if you use a program to simulate it, it's a violation.
Actually, the new interpretation of the rules includes hardware methods as well as software. Some people control EVE with voice commands too, which it would affect in theory.

Rayo Atra wrote:
8 years
4 toons
Countless battles.

I still mouse click everything :|
I doubt you mouse clicked that forum post.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-12-02 17:47:20 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
AFAIK, if it's a keyboard function, it's ok, if you use a program to simulate it, it's a violation.


Your keyboard makes use of software to perform the function. However, CCP very clearly stated in the most recent thread that whether something was hardware or software was irrelevant. I feel like their thoughts on this are, activating a bunch of modules at once isn't replicating commands between multiple clients, and isn't playing the game for you.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#9 - 2014-12-02 17:53:36 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
AFAIK, if it's a keyboard function, it's ok, if you use a program to simulate it, it's a violation.


Your keyboard makes use of software to perform the function. However, CCP very clearly stated in the most recent thread that whether something was hardware or software was irrelevant. I feel like their thoughts on this are, activating a bunch of modules at once isn't replicating commands between multiple clients, and isn't playing the game for you.



Your answer:

http://imgur.com/FGst7B5

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Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2014-12-02 17:53:41 UTC
AFAIK, if the macro performs multiple commands, it falls under the umbrella of automation.

For example, I have a really old Logitech G15 keyboard. If I program one of the macro keys to perform the multi-key shortcut to recall my drones (ctrl-alt-R in this case) with one keypress, then this would be allowed under the rules. However, if I programmed one of the macro keys to activate all of my tanking modules (alt-f1, alt-f2, alt-f3 for example) with one keypress, then this would not be allowed under the rules.

At least that is how I read the rules, I could be wrong.
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-12-02 17:57:31 UTC
if you push one button, and it does more than one thing, then it is no longer allowed
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2014-12-02 17:59:16 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
if you push one button, and it does more than one thing, then it is no longer allowed
What if I simultaneously press F1, F2, F3 and F4? As far as they'll see it will look like all 4 activating at the same time, just like a macro!

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Prince Kobol
#13 - 2014-12-02 18:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Lucas Kell wrote:
The change isn't even out yet and already legitimate questions are going unanswered leaving people in questionable positions. Surprise surprise.

I hate all of this "We must make the line as fuzzy as possible!" bullcrap.



I understand why in certain circumstances they are fuzzy as it gives them a lot of lean way however in this instance I think they are wrong.

I actually believe they didn't think of people who use keyboard software to map multiple short cut commands to one key hence the silence on what should be a very simple question to answer.

I expect this thread to be closed very shortly with a link to the Dev blog even thou it does not answer this question
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#14 - 2014-12-02 18:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Leoric Firesword wrote:
if you push one button, and it does more than one thing, then it is no longer allowed

Doc Fury had your answer, look at his chart carefully.

Quote:
Your answer:

http://imgur.com/FGst7B5


Having a keyboard macro press multiple keys for you is fine, it always has been... that's what a macro DOES. It makes little sense to push one button to replicate pushing another single button... just reassign the key.

No, using a macro to string keyboard strokes together for convenience is fine (pressing F1-F8 for example), as long as it's on one client.

Having that macro run in such a way as to affect more than one client, or having a program that decides when to push F1-F8 without your direct input is NOT okay.

People are over thinking things, trying to be careful (totally understandable)... but really, the only thing that has changed is they don't want you to use the ISBoxer broadcast function to control multiple clients anymore. Or any silly hardware methods to do the same, however unlikely that may be.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#15 - 2014-12-02 18:20:02 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
if you push one button, and it does more than one thing, then it is no longer allowed

No Leoric, that's a Macro... which is fine as long as you are still the one pushing the button, and as long as it only affects one client when you do so.

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Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-12-02 18:20:51 UTC
Im guessing my mouse isn't allowed since it has macros, my keyboard isnt allowed because it has macros, and my headset too because it has macros. Same with Voice Attack.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2014-12-02 18:22:45 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571
Yep.

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