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NO Skillpoints Loss upon non updated clone death is superbad!

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Nicholas Goldfinder
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2014-12-02 16:41:00 UTC
It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made. The possibility of a vet to become a noob toon by not updating their clone is a HUGE democratic feature in EVE, which is such an interesting game also, I would say almost predominantly, because you can lose everything!!!

I hope many player will agree with this and make CCP revisit their idea to remove SPs losses.

Yours truly.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2014-12-02 16:42:58 UTC
I don't agree. Only one choice, is no choice at all.

At least with the options now open, CCP can look at new ways for clones to interact with the game.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2014-12-02 16:44:48 UTC
You are a tad tardy to this party OP.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-12-02 16:46:27 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made. The possibility of a vet to become a noob toon by not updating their clone is a HUGE democratic feature in EVE, which is such an interesting game also, I would say almost predominantly, because you can lose everything!!!

I hope many player will agree with this and make CCP revisit their idea to remove SPs losses.

Yours truly.


You do realise a vet would need tens if not hundreds of alpha clone loss to really get back to newbie SP levels?
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-02 16:48:38 UTC
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It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made. The possibility of a vet to become a noob toon by not updating their clone is a HUGE democratic feature in EVE, which is such an interesting game also, I would say almost predominantly, because you can lose everything!!!

I hope many player will agree with this and make CCP revisit their idea to remove SPs losses.

Yours truly.


Disagree.

Name one player who 'chooses' to not pay the fee and risk loosing all the skill points.

Nobody chooses this option, they just forget.

Penalising people who forget is bad game design.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#6 - 2014-12-02 16:52:15 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
You are a tad tardy
That he is.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#7 - 2014-12-02 16:52:29 UTC
"democratic feature".


Have we realized by now that democracy is a bad thing?


The beatings will continue until morality improves.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#8 - 2014-12-02 17:09:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Clones were a terrible idea to begin with. They don't fit the game story-wise (why would the option to transform yourself into a potato even be available in a medically-advanced society?), and keeping players forcefully docked should be the obligation of other players, and not some half-assed gameplay mechanic. And why should people have to pay an extra 45 million ISK every time they want to take a small ship out for pvp? Seems to me like we should be taxing the mega-rich supercap pilots instead.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-12-02 17:11:47 UTC
well, greyscale already cancelled thera, so I geuss your wish might come true.
Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-12-02 17:14:55 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I don't agree. Only one choice, is no choice at all.

At least with the options now open, CCP can look at new ways for clones to interact with the game.


Having the SP to interact with the game is a good reason for you to interact with clones.

Then again, here comes another 50 pages of 500m SP supervets losing clones all day.
Nicholas Goldfinder
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2014-12-02 17:20:04 UTC
1 - You can chose to have a cap on your SPs. Don't tell you cannot, because you can.

2 - To fly for cheap PVP you can always have an alt.

3 - I forgot...
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#12 - 2014-12-02 17:20:58 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made. The possibility of a vet to become a noob toon by not updating their clone is a HUGE democratic feature in EVE, which is such an interesting game also, I would say almost predominantly, because you can lose everything!!!

I hope many player will agree with this and make CCP revisit their idea to remove SPs losses.

Yours truly.



No, it removes a tedious and boring feature from a game rife with tedious and boring features.
I don't want to have a second job I have to pay to work at. I want to log on, maybe run some missions if my sec is getting too low, fleet up with my mates, and hunt for PvP.
Miners will like the game better now that they don't have to fear pod death. Older PvP'ers will come out more often now that they don't have to risk an extra 50mil on top of the cost of their ship, noobs will have a better chance of surviving the game mechanics to become high-SP monsters. Etc, etc..... so on and so forth.

AKA: qwitcher.

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Nicholas Goldfinder
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2014-12-02 17:21:27 UTC
Oh yes...

3 - If you forget to pay your taxes, you are going to get fined...
Nicholas Goldfinder
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-12-02 17:22:25 UTC
I think it is a bad idea to remove one of the best game mechanics ever thought in order to make the life of zillions SP toons easier.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-12-02 17:23:48 UTC
It shouldn't be removed without something else to fill its position. Right now medical facilities have no relevance, and pod death is meaningless for those who do not have pods. This isn't a correct state of affairs for a game such as eve to be in.

Hope they can get this new system which they mentioned in place as quickly as possible.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#16 - 2014-12-02 17:24:28 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
I think it is a bad idea to remove one of the best game mechanics ever thought in order to make the life of zillions SP toons easier.



Then go forth, Don Quixote!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=389008

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#17 - 2014-12-02 17:24:39 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
I think it is a bad idea to remove one of the best game mechanics ever thought in order to make the life of zillions SP toons easier.

The people with the SP and money aren't even the ones suffering most from this feature. Yes, it's an annoyance, but we're not the ones who don't know enough (or any better) to keep track of clones, as opposed to the orphan street urchin rookies you seem to be campaigning for.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#18 - 2014-12-02 17:24:48 UTC
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made


Hyperbole much?

It's not a feature, it's a penalty for forgetting to pay the "I got podded" tax. All other taxes in the game are auto-pay, why shouldn't this one be?

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#19 - 2014-12-02 17:27:06 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Nicholas Goldfinder wrote:
It removes one of the most amazing features in the gaming history ever made


Hyperbole much?

It's not a feature, it's a penalty for forgetting to pay the "I got podded" tax. All other taxes in the game are auto-pay, why shouldn't this one be?

Because everyone needs a boogeyman, and their boogeymen are the people whose presence in the game is responsible for its current existence.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Nicholas Goldfinder
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2014-12-02 17:32:01 UTC
A penalty is a feature.

Then, the rookies. As a rookie I lost SPs. It was just part of the process to learn that EVE is a tough environment. One the no loss upon no upgrade will trivialise.

Will u feel the same thrill, when u PVP, if you could not lose your ship?

SPs loss is a different mechanic, but still a loss. A loss that sucks. A loss you don't want, and there is one thing you can do it to not prevent it, that is to not update your clone.

Wanna make SPs loss different? Implement new game mechanics, do not remove the SPs loss. That is terribad!!! A trivialisation of an awesome game, one that, can be said without hyperboles, to be among the very best in the whole game history.
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