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Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 2,148
Kagura Nikon Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,148	#81 - 2014-12-02 09:31:55 UTC Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: I for one welcome our new soon to be nerfed right after inception Beam Confessor Overlords. They still did not nerf the even more overpowered mordus ships... "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

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#82 - 2014-12-02 09:33:53 UTC

Harvey James wrote:

Bronson Hughes wrote:

I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change.

perhaps then missiles will finally get looked at ..
- HAM's and rockets needs -50% range , but with some damage buffs in exchange
- maybe remove the lame rapid launchers gimmick for some proper missile options of appropriate sizes
- new missile tracking mods ,
- nerf cruises range down and slight ROF nerf.. Rise you know you overbuffed them

50% is a bit too much.... Rockets woudl get inti REALLY useles status .. Even hams are not problematic.. the problem is when they are combined with the LOTS of ships with missile velocity bonus. Check hams on a prophecy or Cyclone, they are not overpowered there.

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

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#83 - 2014-12-02 09:35:57 UTC

Lloyd Roses wrote:

With those changes and Aurora S

Confessor: 245dps at 75k optimal
Retribution: 145dps at 50k optimal

Not bad, they'll blend in nicely with other absurdities like sniper cormorants and rail-harpies.

So is the confessor going to have an insane price or what is the reason to make it such a sniperbeast?

They are making the confessor to counter the current interceptor meta. Want to bring a gang of interceptors? great for you.. you will be toasted by confessors at a 5:1 ratio.

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1,293
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 1,293	#84 - 2014-12-02 14:40:43 UTC so I tried fitting these, and even after like 3 fitting buffs, they're still impossible

Harvey James

The Sengoku Legacy

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#85 - 2014-12-02 14:44:19 UTC | Edited by: Harvey James

Kagura Nikon wrote:

Harvey James wrote:

Bronson Hughes wrote:

I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change.

well as with guns and all mods in general as they step up a size the range is always increased substantially 100% often ... now they could buff torp range too achieve this but torps at 40km basic or more is far too much.. 50km with javs i think ..
so the other option is nerfing HAM's and rockets too achieve the normal pattern, (_km) being normal pattern is should be.
rockets - 10km ( 5km)
HAM's - 20km (10km)
Torps - 40km (20km)

another option could be making missiles behave differently too all other modules , with say a 50% increase per size so
rockets - 10km
HAM's - 15km
Torps 20km

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

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Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Ragequit Cancel Sub Likes received: 389	#86 - 2014-12-02 15:00:11 UTC 1 TrouserDeagle wrote: so I tried fitting these, and even after like 3 fitting buffs, they're still impossible An old joke from way back mentioned that there is only ONE type of small beam, the dual light beam. Because of the insane fitting requirements on the focused beam.....


Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Ragequit Cancel Sub Likes received: 389	#87 - 2014-12-02 15:03:56 UTC 1 Kagura Nikon wrote: They are making the confessor to counter the current interceptor meta. Want to bring a gang of interceptors? great for you.. you will be toasted by confessors at a 5:1 ratio. I'm not so sure that will be the case, since they lack a tracking bonus.


TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 1,293	#88 - 2014-12-02 16:02:38 UTC \| Edited by: TrouserDeagle nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum.

Templar Dane

Amarrian Vengeance

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#89 - 2014-12-02 16:53:44 UTC | Edited by: Templar Dane

TrouserDeagle wrote:

nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum.

As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in a coercer, a ship with a 50% tracking bonus, I can say that tracking is an issue.

An ab frigate or one with a TD can get under it's guns, even when fitted with pulse lasers, and it has a pretty big bonus the confessor doesn't....

TrouserDeagle

Beyond Divinity Inc

Shadow Cartel

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#90 - 2014-12-02 21:13:04 UTC

Templar Dane wrote:

TrouserDeagle wrote:

nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum.

fit a web. +150% tracking speed if you're sitting still, more if you're moving.

Harvey James

The Sengoku Legacy

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#91 - 2014-12-02 21:45:15 UTC | Edited by: Harvey James

tracking disruptors need a nerf , mind you most e-war does beside ecm .. especially with drones being so strong atm, makes ecm less useful..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Goldensaver

Maraque Enterprises

Just let it happen

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#92 - 2014-12-03 00:27:19 UTC

TrouserDeagle wrote:

Templar Dane wrote:

TrouserDeagle wrote:

nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum.

fit a web. +150% tracking speed if you're sitting still, more if you're moving.

Probably one of my favourite uses of the new mid slot.

Now on the Coercer, that's unfortunately not an option. It's really a shame.

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Reynas Arthie Doomheim Likes received: 32	#93 - 2014-12-03 01:05:18 UTC Every ship setup that I have flown with Small focused pulse lasers can pretty much be fitted with small focussed beam lasers with little to no fitting modification. And on top of it all the current small beams give me almost identical DPS if the right crystals are selected. The new beam lasers are going to give so much more it is great! EAT LASER SCUM!!

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Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments Likes received: 463	#94 - 2014-12-05 09:25:01 UTC Fozzie why -10% tracking , is it 'cause of +10% optimal?

Bronson Hughes

The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration

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#95 - 2014-12-05 15:25:44 UTC

Schneevva wrote:

Bronson Hughes wrote:

I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change.

Why exactly would this happen?

Given that the small beam and scorch changes were timed to coincide with the release of the first D3, it seems that CCP is taking their balance rather seriously and will likely tweak other D3 weapon systems accordingly.

Mind you, this is pure speculation.

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#96 - 2014-12-07 15:58:02 UTC

TrouserDeagle wrote:

nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum.

yea your right, nobody cares about tracking anymore. since the game has come full circle.

everybody uses drones and missiles now thus condors are not longer using dual tracking disruptors enmass they are using sensor damps now.

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Celthric Kanerian Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 853	#97 - 2014-12-14 13:50:05 UTC Always used pulse lasers since day 1. Now would probably be a good idea to check out beams....