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CCP...rebalance in next patch?
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Bl1SkR1N
13th HOUR
#1 - 2014-12-01 08:23:43 UTC
Is there going to be any? You cant be possible happy about how some ships perform. In sov wars everyone and his grandma flies tengus, and if they dont have tengus they bring ishtars. You dont need dps graphs to knos tengu is broken if every bigger alliance uses it. Its pretty depressing to watch those tengu fleets slowly trying to kill each other. Are you gonna do anything about it?
Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-12-01 08:49:48 UTC
I have seen proteus fleets....but yer. Personally would like to see the long-awaited recon ship rebalance.
Arla Sarain
#3 - 2014-12-01 09:02:20 UTC
Scorch is being rebalanced.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#4 - 2014-12-01 09:08:17 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Scorch is being rebalanced.


And Pulse lasers in general are being tweaked.

--Gadget

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-12-01 10:20:04 UTC
Tengu nerf soon™
Viribus
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-12-01 10:27:10 UTC
the problem isn't so much tengus as it is medium rails, and tengus are the best medium rail platform. The Tengu hull isn't really any better than the other T3s (except Lokis, but everything's better than Lokis)

watch me be a scurb and get owned
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#7 - 2014-12-01 11:21:17 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
Scorch is being rebalanced.


And Pulse lasers in general are being tweaked.

--Gadget
As well as Beam Lasers.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#8 - 2014-12-01 11:23:17 UTC
Komodo Askold wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
Scorch is being rebalanced.


And Pulse lasers in general are being tweaked.

--Gadget
As well as Beam Lasers.



Also, all Assault frigs are getting a stealth nerf because why fly them if you could also get a Confessor!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-12-01 11:29:13 UTC
Viribus wrote:
the problem isn't so much tengus as it is medium rails, and tengus are the best medium rail platform. The Tengu hull isn't really any better than the other T3s (except Lokis, but everything's better than Lokis)


Nope its the hulls.
Faren Shalni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-12-01 12:20:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Viribus wrote:
the problem isn't so much tengus as it is medium rails, and tengus are the best medium rail platform. The Tengu hull isn't really any better than the other T3s (except Lokis, but everything's better than Lokis)


Nope its the hulls.


Nope it's a subsystem

So Much Space
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2014-12-01 12:24:27 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Komodo Askold wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
Scorch is being rebalanced.


And Pulse lasers in general are being tweaked.

--Gadget
As well as Beam Lasers.



Also, all Assault frigs are getting a stealth nerf because why fly them if you could also get a Confessor!

because you can eat a confessor in one if you can catch it, af's are fine(mostly)

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Bl1SkR1N
13th HOUR
#12 - 2014-12-01 12:29:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Viribus wrote:
the problem isn't so much tengus as it is medium rails, and tengus are the best medium rail platform. The Tengu hull isn't really any better than the other T3s (except Lokis, but everything's better than Lokis)


Nope its the hulls.


I think it's both.

Tengus were not that bad ehen they were using missiles since you could at least counter their dps with firewalls. With rails its way harder since honestly no one can track disrupt 150tengus effectively. Althought cfc with their blob of fu fleets sometimes does the job fine :D

Hulls are problem because they are insanely easy to fit for very cheap price. With t3 modes you can get ehp higher that battleship. On top of this you are perfectly cap stable and your sig radius stays relatively small. You can achieve this on any other t3 eve withh 1bil fits.

So it's more complicated to fix the problem without damaging something else. Not to mention all the different subs and stats...so I understand that this is not easy task but atleast some minor tweak would be nice. I think most people are sick of tengus already.

Also nerf ishtar bonuses.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2014-12-01 12:37:27 UTC
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Viribus wrote:
the problem isn't so much tengus as it is medium rails, and tengus are the best medium rail platform. The Tengu hull isn't really any better than the other T3s (except Lokis, but everything's better than Lokis)


Nope its the hulls.


I think it's both.

Tengus were not that bad ehen they were using missiles since you could at least counter their dps with firewalls. With rails its way harder since honestly no one can track disrupt 150tengus effectively. Althought cfc with their blob of fu fleets sometimes does the job fine :D

Hulls are problem because they are insanely easy to fit for very cheap price. With t3 modes you can get ehp higher that battleship. On top of this you are perfectly cap stable and your sig radius stays relatively small. You can achieve this on any other t3 eve withh 1bil fits.

So it's more complicated to fix the problem without damaging something else. Not to mention all the different subs and stats...so I understand that this is not easy task but atleast some minor tweak would be nice. I think most people are sick of tengus already.

Also nerf ishtar bonuses.


Tengus are gonna be nerfed most likely next year. Ishtar is fine, it just needs to lose the sentries.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#14 - 2014-12-01 15:50:51 UTC
So, recently I've seen Tengu, Proteus, Dominix, Vexor, Ishtar, Ferox, Armageddon, Caracal, Cerberus, Eagle, Naga, Rokh and more as the main fleet components and then there's all the support ships, then fleets of assault frigates etc.

I'm not sure what the problem is. Most of it all seems fine to me.
Bl1SkR1N
13th HOUR
#15 - 2014-12-01 23:19:56 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
So, recently I've seen Tengu, Proteus, Dominix, Vexor, Ishtar, Ferox, Armageddon, Caracal, Cerberus, Eagle, Naga, Rokh and more as the main fleet components and then there's all the support ships, then fleets of assault frigates etc.

I'm not sure what the problem is. Most of it all seems fine to me.


I think i said what problem is in post above
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#16 - 2014-12-02 00:18:15 UTC
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
Is there going to be any? You cant be possible happy about how some ships perform. In sov wars everyone and his grandma flies tengus, and if they dont have tengus they bring ishtars. You dont need dps graphs to knos tengu is broken if every bigger alliance uses it. Its pretty depressing to watch those tengu fleets slowly trying to kill each other. Are you gonna do anything about it?


All this tengu hate. Are you an ishkur pilot by any chance?

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Bl1SkR1N
13th HOUR
#17 - 2014-12-02 09:08:32 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
Is there going to be any? You cant be possible happy about how some ships perform. In sov wars everyone and his grandma flies tengus, and if they dont have tengus they bring ishtars. You dont need dps graphs to knos tengu is broken if every bigger alliance uses it. Its pretty depressing to watch those tengu fleets slowly trying to kill each other. Are you gonna do anything about it?


All this tengu hate. Are you an ishkur pilot by any chance?

Not hate at all, I just like to see diversity. Different ships to counter fleets. Right now it's just tengus everywhere and ocasionally drones. When was the last time anyone saw ahac fleet that wasnt total welp or even bloody tier3snipers.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-12-02 09:41:06 UTC
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
Is there going to be any? You cant be possible happy about how some ships perform. In sov wars everyone and his grandma flies tengus, and if they dont have tengus they bring ishtars. You dont need dps graphs to knos tengu is broken if every bigger alliance uses it. Its pretty depressing to watch those tengu fleets slowly trying to kill each other. Are you gonna do anything about it?



Just pay attention at signals. Why do you think they are introducing T3 destroyers? To create a new demand for t3 components. Why is that needed, because they do not want to break wormhole economy when they finally hit t3 cruisers with a GIANT nerfbat.

For me this si a clear sign that the nerf bat will be HEAVY.

The ishtar onother hand.. well the current game design team seems fixated on the concept of gallente online on the last 3 years.. so do not hold your breath.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"