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Stackable GCC

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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-11-20 23:51:29 UTC
Agondray wrote:



even being aligned isnt enough as it takes time to spool up, you have to have 2 spots you pace back and forth so you dont go to far from what you are mining.

and if you want to warp our every little ship on your dscan then you will also never accomplish anything

1) You don't know what being aligned means, I'll explain it: being aligned means you have already established warpable sub-warp speed in the direction you want to warp.

2) You only need to worry about 'little' ships on dscan that can actually gank you, so yes, if you see 50 noob ships aproaching in dscan, that might be a warning to GTFO, as 50 T2 fit noobships will prolly take out your barge.

3)if you see local jumping up 50 ppl and they aren't your friends, it would be wise to 'relocate'. Being a 'dilligent' miner you are of course keeping your eye on local at all times, if you aren't, well, then you're not being dilligent.... Of course it's not just about local jumping up 50 (or less) ppl all of a sudden. If you mine in a system that nomally has 10/20/30/40/50/whatever number of ppl online when you mine there, you should deduct that there is an elevated treath of being ganked when there are more ppl than usual online, especially if they are strangers that normally don't visit your system at the times you play.

In general, avoiding ganks is not that hard, make sure you can tank at least 2 t2 catalysts (that's even possible for a Retriever, let alone macks, procs and skiffs in 0.5), be aware of your surroundings by keeping an eye on local, list known gankers as contacts with bad standings, check your dscan for catalysts and probes, move you ship every time someone you don't know enters the belt you are in (after they warped out) etc etc.

As a ganker (and former raging mining carebear) I find that 99% of ganks are avoidable even if you are in an untanked ship by just paying attention and being aware.

I'll tell you what will happen if nerfs to ganking will continue btw: if we implement the stackable GCC the OP wants, I'll jsut train more of my chars to be gankers, which will make it harder to track them. There is no reason why I shouldn't train my trading alts to be ganking alts too for instance. Of course, at that point the OP or like minded bears will come crying that "any repeat highsec offender should not be allowed to trade in highsec cuz they be criminulz!1!1" or something like that. Just "One More Nerf" right? And after we adapt to that nerf by simply making more accounts and letting them laps till the stacked GCC runs out, they'll be crying for "Don´t let lapsed accounts get cooldown on GCC!!1!!! (and jump fatigue, though I doubt 90+ % of the bears visiting this and similar threads even know what jump fatigue is) as the next "One More Nerf". Again, they will not stop whining until every form of non consensual PvP is removed from highsec and at hat point they will prolly start whining about consensual PvP (easy to make a mistake in accepting a dual or consensual wardec and even when it's not a mistake it's 'not fair' cuz of numbers, skillpoints blahblahblah') and after that about ppl coming into 'their' missions, belts, anomalies etc etc. ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF! Lol
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#62 - 2014-11-21 00:31:34 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:


I'll tell you what will happen if nerfs to ganking will continue btw: if we implement the stackable GCC the OP wants, I'll jsut train more of my chars to be gankers, which will make it harder to track them. There is no reason why I shouldn't train my trading alts to be ganking alts too for instance. Of course, at that point the OP or like minded bears will come crying that "any repeat highsec offender should not be allowed to trade in highsec cuz they be criminulz!1!1" or something like that. Just "One More Nerf" right? And after we adapt to that nerf by simply making more accounts and letting them laps till the stacked GCC runs out, they'll be crying for "Don´t let lapsed accounts get cooldown on GCC!!1!!! (and jump fatigue, though I doubt 90+ % of the bears visiting this and similar threads even know what jump fatigue is) as the next "One More Nerf". Again, they will not stop whining until every form of non consensual PvP is removed from highsec and at hat point they will prolly start whining about consensual PvP (easy to make a mistake in accepting a dual or consensual wardec and even when it's not a mistake it's 'not fair' cuz of numbers, skillpoints blahblahblah') and after that about ppl coming into 'their' missions, belts, anomalies etc etc. ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF! ONE MORE NERF! Lol


As many nerfs as it takes to deter repeat criminals. If we need a 6 month GCC timer for people like Loyalanon, so be it. We can put people in jail faster than you can make alts.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-11-21 00:45:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
repeat criminals


What about an exceptionally large wave of one time "criminals"?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#64 - 2014-11-21 01:11:19 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
repeat criminals


What about an exceptionally large wave of one time "criminals"?


I tend to think that punishment should be mild for the first offense. CCP has already restricted recycling of gank alts.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-11-21 01:27:55 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
repeat criminals


What about an exceptionally large wave of one time "criminals"?


I tend to think that punishment should be mild for the first offense. CCP has already restricted recycling of gank alts.


Who said anything about recycling alts?
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-11-21 10:44:40 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
[quote=Meilandra Vanderganken]



As many nerfs as it takes to deter repeat criminals. If we need a 6 month GCC timer for people like Loyalanon, so be it. We can put people in jail faster than you can make alts.

Thank you for proving my point. Even at a 6 month timer, there will still be ganking, at which point you will be coming back here asking for One More Nerf. Lol
Philip Isleb
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-11-30 05:50:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 hours for -10s?


STFU.
Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#68 - 2014-11-30 08:55:09 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this.

Is it really so Goddamn difficult?

Michael Ignis Archangel wrote:

Fenix Neutrino wrote:

You can mass gank and that's wrong.

The mass ganking of NPC's continues unabated. Think of the red crosses' children!

Even worse, think of CONCORD! :
Abrazzar wrote:

CONCORD: The Carebear's hot-drop*
*response time may vary

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

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Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#69 - 2014-11-30 09:03:12 UTC
CCP should just get rid of that whole pvp in EVE thing. It's been an interesting experiment, but it's obviously not working out for the contemporary consumer.

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