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The Old Guard

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Roguehalo
Roguehalo Ship Brokers
#1 - 2011-12-15 21:33:39 UTC
Where did they all go?
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#2 - 2011-12-15 21:47:26 UTC
1) ebay
2) banned before/during/after ebay
3) dont like new facebook forum
4) run after scam
5) jumped off a bridge after losing enough cash on shady xerox,ferox,whateverox xchange sites
6) met a girl
Shar Tegral
#3 - 2011-12-15 21:55:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Shar Tegral
Many are like me, we are still around.

We just don't feel like supporting some of the new things like we
used to do in the past.

I dislike the new forums. Slow and with functionality removed.
Granted there is some new functionality but yet another example
of CCP forcing things upon us that they know better about it than
we do.

Too little, too late.

Another reason to just not bother much is CCP's recent fiascos.
To be honest I would not say they were any worse than others in
the past. They were just quite literally the final straw for many. I've
lost a lot of in game friends (though we still game together
where) to the point that I find little reason to log in most weeks.
Sadly, I hear that a few more of my friends' accounts are closing
down in the next couple of weeks.

This is not to be dismissive or critical of the community that has
grown up into the void left by many old timers leaving. The flavor
here has become ... more bland. Not very often do I see anything
worth interacting upon. However I do still read, treasuring those
gems that pop up with much delight.

Edit Note: A fine example is how clicking "post" somehow inserted
coding into my post from nowhere.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#4 - 2011-12-15 22:07:58 UTC
One of the considerations that brought us to these new forums, which adds some awkwardness that CCP needs to work on, is the need to make Eve Gate fully compatible with whatever Playstation 3 interface Dust 514 is going to have.

It goes a long way towards explaining the... almost console-like design.

Eve is in a transition period right now. I have high hopes for Dust and console-PC integration, and fully expect it all to be well-worth it in the long run.
Miss Margin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-16 00:26:46 UTC
People cycle in and out of games. Back when I started the average player lasts less than a year.

And really it's fine, people move on, new people move in and take their place.

Also a lot of people enjoy one or two things about eve and just never adapted to other games styles, if all you like to do is trade how long before you get bored with it, and therefor the entire game the entire game?

Also can I have your stuff. I mean that seriously, to anyone planning on leaving, even just a little of your stuff. I don't care if it's in 0.0 I really need stuff.

**This character is for Sale, pure trade skills. ** https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=517979#post517979

Chung Ju-yung
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-12-16 00:57:15 UTC
I don't know much about the old folks, but Jita still seems ripe with old money to harvest. Lol
Shar Tegral
#7 - 2011-12-16 01:39:47 UTC
Miss Margin wrote:
Also can I have your stuff. I mean that seriously, to anyone planning on leaving, even just a little of your stuff. I don't care if it's in 0.0 I really need stuff.
A question with two parts comes to mind:

1a: How often is this asked on the forums?
1b: How often does it yield results?

As an added bonus: I've never asked people for their stuff and I've often had people dump stuff on me as they've quit.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#8 - 2011-12-16 01:40:02 UTC
Who cares, they were always a bunch of overrated blowhards anyway.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
#9 - 2011-12-16 01:51:27 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Who cares, they were always a bunch of overrated blowhards anyway.


It is a shame that only a handful of people will get the irony in your statement.

Shar Tegral
#10 - 2011-12-16 02:33:30 UTC
Sweet, found one thing to like about the forums... "hide posts" from trolls.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-12-16 03:19:21 UTC
They all ended up being incompetents or scammers. The emperor had no clothes, and now the farce that was the "md community" is dead.

Praise Allah.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#12 - 2011-12-16 04:01:21 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:
Sweet, found one thing to like about the forums... "hide posts" from trolls.


I'm not trolling.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#13 - 2011-12-16 04:25:44 UTC
I'm actually kind of surprised and happy to come back after a few months off and see that many of the "elite" types have vanished. There were too many supposed truisms floating around, which led to a rather unwelcoming atmosphere for anybody trying to float new ideas or challenge old ones.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#14 - 2011-12-16 08:16:00 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:
Not very often do I see anything worth interacting upon. However I do still read

This.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-12-16 08:20:41 UTC
Mu-Shi Ai wrote:
I'm actually kind of surprised and happy to come back after a few months off and see that many of the "elite" types have vanished. There were too many supposed truisms floating around, which led to a rather unwelcoming atmosphere for anybody trying to float new ideas or challenge old ones.

do you see anybody floating new ideas now that this hurdle is gone?

I haven't seen any new idea on MD for a very long time.... just poorly thought-out rehashes of old ideas that were already discussed in much more detail years ago.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-12-16 11:13:29 UTC
I think part of the problem with Market Discussion is there is rarely a good topic that can be discussed that has a point in doing so. If you have a business idea, revealing it to the public is almost always a bad idea. If you attempt to discuss market movers you are viewed as a market manipulator. About the only thing worthwhile chatting about on this particular forum is IPO investments and with no way to enforce a contract it's always hit or miss. More often than not, a miss.
Shar Tegral
#17 - 2011-12-16 12:38:27 UTC
Mu-Shi Ai wrote:
There were too many supposed truisms floating around, which led to a rather unwelcoming atmosphere for anybody trying to float new ideas or challenge old ones.
In any community there are pathfinders and there are pathtrodders.

Pathfinders discover the truisms by challenging what is known with seeking what is unknown.
Pathtrodders only go where others have already gone and swear only by what is "known".
The latter group is much more numerous, and present here, than the other.

Do not confuse the "old guard" as being pathtrodders. Those who are not accepting of new ideas were not part of any group I subscribed to in any way. However ignoring "truisms" is quite honestly one of the stupidest ideas to come along and only benefits those who prefer to prey upon others.

So I dare you: Go ahead, ignore the truisms.
Lets see how long you keep your isk.
If you've got any worth losing.
Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#18 - 2011-12-16 14:27:03 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I think part of the problem with Market Discussion is there is rarely a good topic that can be discussed that has a point in doing so. If you have a business idea, revealing it to the public is almost always a bad idea. If you attempt to discuss market movers you are viewed as a market manipulator. About the only thing worthwhile chatting about on this particular forum is IPO investments and with no way to enforce a contract it's always hit or miss. More often than not, a miss.


I think there's plenty worth chatting about. It's just that everybody has been taught to feel all self-important about every little move they're making in the game. I have to say, about 95% of what others are doing in the markets or otherwise is probably of very little use to individuals here, except maybe for trolling purposes ("Oh look, I'll ruin your market, tra-la-la!" ... "Uh, okay, I'll just find another one in two minutes").
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-12-16 16:04:05 UTC
Agreed. The myth of "trade secrets" on this forum is pretty amusing.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-16 16:58:44 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:
So I dare you: Go ahead, ignore the truisms.
Lets see how long you keep your isk.
If you've got any worth losing.



He who makes his own path finds his own reward... and his own failings.


Glad you are back around - I don't know why it is that whenever there is an expansion life drifts me away from EVE for a while.
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