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[Rhea] Small Beam Lasers

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#21 - 2014-11-27 19:03:14 UTC
Why -10% tracking??

Laser tracking isn't the highest and Gleam S/M/L don't help that much.

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2014-11-27 19:05:14 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Why -10% tracking??

Laser tracking isn't the highest and Gleam S/M/L don't help that much.


beam laser tracking is the highest of the LR guns.
Capqu
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#23 - 2014-11-27 19:13:46 UTC
Viribus
Wilderness
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#24 - 2014-11-27 19:14:26 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hanazava Karyna wrote:
So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones.
Good changes, thanks a lot.


Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes.


i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state

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Capqu
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#25 - 2014-11-27 19:16:17 UTC
small beams are probably also more common in pvp than heavy missiles

when are those 2008 nerfs in 2011 getting reverted

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#26 - 2014-11-27 19:22:54 UTC
it seems to me like long range guns are being expected to do too much damage in eve 2014

used to be that u lost damage w long range weapons

now u just lose tracking


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Viribus
Wilderness
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#27 - 2014-11-27 19:25:00 UTC
Capqu wrote:
ishtars?


i think you'll find that a 65k EHP cruiser that can easily fit a 100mn AB and do 600dps at 80km with mega pulse tracking is in fact perfectly balanced, since they occasionally abandon drones, losing precious seconds of DPS right-clicking your drone bay and pressing "launch"

i mean the PVP savants of CCP nerfed the optimal + tracking bonus from 7.5 to 5, what more could you possibly want???

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Capqu
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#28 - 2014-11-27 19:29:21 UTC
Viribus wrote:
Capqu wrote:
ishtars?


i think you'll find that a 65k EHP cruiser that can easily fit a 100mn AB and do 600dps at 80km with mega pulse tracking is in fact perfectly balanced, since they occasionally abandon drones, losing precious seconds of DPS right-clicking your drone bay and pressing "launch"

i mean the PVP savants of CCP nerfed the optimal + tracking bonus from 7.5 to 5, what more could you possibly want???


i know we're in the same alice but ur crazy

those numbers look a little TOO balanced to me

like why couldnt the ishtar be balanced in the same way that rockets are balanced if u know what i mean

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#29 - 2014-11-27 19:31:28 UTC
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
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#30 - 2014-11-27 19:32:19 UTC
Viribus wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hanazava Karyna wrote:
So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones.
Good changes, thanks a lot.


Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes.


i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state


Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2014-11-27 19:34:10 UTC
Viribus wrote:
i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state

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Viribus
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#32 - 2014-11-27 19:34:47 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Viribus wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hanazava Karyna wrote:
So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones.
Good changes, thanks a lot.


Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes.


i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state


Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos.



i think you may have mistakenly pluralized "group", just a heads up

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Capqu
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#33 - 2014-11-27 19:35:06 UTC
when he says nobody he means anyone who can do basic arithmetic and realise that if ur not using 250mms ur wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#34 - 2014-11-27 19:37:41 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:


beam laser tracking is the highest of the LR guns.

And this is an issue why?
Rails are the longest range and Arty are the highest Alpha. Why shouldn't Beams have the highest tracking?
And if that is an issue, then Arty should be the ones getting a tracking buff, not lasers a Nerf. Since they already have issues tracking at the small gun size.
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#35 - 2014-11-27 19:51:48 UTC
The Ironfist
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-11-27 20:08:55 UTC
Still ignoring the issue that fitting on T2 Medium beams and Large beams is completely broken nice..
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-11-27 20:22:44 UTC
Ontopic post here (this isn't medium/large beams/ishtar discussion)
Nice to see that you're making a proper change here with the 20% damage buff and much heavier volley damage. While the change to pulse lasers looks wholly ineffective for changing the dynamic, this looks to make small beam lasers potentially useful.

+1
Cae Lara
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-11-27 20:29:55 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Confirming beam legion master race


Rail Tengus/Proteii want to have a word with you.


Rail t3s don't look as cool as legions on twitch streams though.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#39 - 2014-11-27 20:32:07 UTC
Cool.

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Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
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#40 - 2014-11-27 20:57:22 UTC
Viribus wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Viribus wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hanazava Karyna wrote:
So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones.
Good changes, thanks a lot.


Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes.


i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state


Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos.



i think you may have mistakenly pluralized "group", just a heads up


Groups that use Beam Absos;

Snuffbox
Overload Everything
Shadow Cartel
UCF

Groups that use beam legions;
PL
Snuffbox
Overload Everything
Shadow Cartel
UCF
Inulectable
Tishu


Seems plural to me, and these are just the ones i can run off the top of my head ofc.