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Best PvP Ship - High DPS, Money isn't an issue
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Clintonm9 Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-26 19:20:25 UTC
If you have lots of ISK (6 Billion ISK - bought through plex), what ships would you suggest I work to? I am new so I probably will start out with Factional Warfare then look at joining a CORP to fly in small fleets with PVP.

Thanks!
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2014-11-26 19:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
There is no best and throwing more isk at it does not necessarily mean better, in the hands of a player that lacks experience it is actually usually is worse to throw more isk at it.

If you are just starting, use T1 frigates and work your way up.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-11-26 19:47:27 UTC
What I would recommend...

Create a new character on your account (you get three character slots). Transfer 5.5 billion to that character and forget that you have it for a while.

500 mil will get you a lot of nice cheap T1 frigates (with T1 fittings) that you can lose without concern as you learn (and you will lose them).
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-11-26 19:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
I'll echo the others,
if you blow your own money on expensive stuff you don't know how to use, one of us will take it from you.
learn how to play before spending that isk because if you don't, you will have your inexperience exploited by someone who does know how to play and it will be done completely legitimately through normal gameplay leaving you no recourse.

welcome to eve,
your wallet has no power here.



But in answer to your question, look into the assault frigates, they are the David to the battleship Goliath.

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aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#5 - 2014-11-26 20:03:57 UTC
orthorus with rapid lights seem to do pretty well, but its all about the pilot.. maybe get a caracal with rapid lights and see how you like that. Some people like to kite, others brawl... Join a pvp corp and learn to see what you prefer.. maybe go to RVB
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2014-11-26 20:05:10 UTC
Keep it cheap though.

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Clintonm9 Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-11-26 20:20:43 UTC
I guess the reason I ask is for Skill training. Everywhere I read it says plan a year in advance. So i am trying to see what ship I will start training for. I have been playing for almost 30 days now and I am flying the Raven.
Clintonm9 Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-26 20:26:28 UTC
I did just sign up for RVB to try out some PVP. I just been doing level 2 missions right now.
Emo Bittervet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-11-26 21:06:42 UTC
im thinking deadspace fitted talos, make that and go duel some frigates outside of jita :>
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2014-11-26 21:15:51 UTC
Emo Bittervet wrote:
im thinking deadspace fitted talos, make that and go duel some frigates outside of jita :>

Ccp manifest knows how it's done (on sisiCry).

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The Drunken Taoist
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-11-26 21:23:18 UTC
Fly the rifter.

It will teach you more about pvp/tactics/fitting than any other ship early on in the game. You will also get used to losing them which is a huge step in dealing with pvp. And best of all a fully T2 fit is usually less than 7mil
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-26 21:34:38 UTC
Clintonm9 Kanjus wrote:
I did just sign up for RVB to try out some PVP. I just been doing level 2 missions right now.


A Raven is really inefficient for L2 missions, those massive missiles don't hit small targets well, especially with limited training.

Seriously, put the expensive toys away for a while and get something smaller, even for missions. A caracal for example.
Bigger is NOT better in EVE
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2014-11-26 21:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Bigger is NOT better in EVE

Exactly this.

Let me post a snippet of my usual skillpoint spiel.

Quote:
- Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another.

Example: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor power every 24 seconds... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor from the battleship every 3 seconds... etc. etc.



I will also add this...

Quote:
- High tech equipment (ex. T2, Faction, Officer, etc) will not give a player "I WIN" abilities. It simply gives a player a linear edge at an exponentially higher cost.

Ex1: A basic T1 Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~10% omni-resistance to damage for only ~100,000 ISK... a T2 Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~15% omni-resistance to damage for ~1,000,000 ISK... a "deadpsace" Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~19% omni-resistance to damage for ~20,000,000 ISK.

Ex2: A group of three or four T1-fit frigates that cost about 500 thousand to 1 million ISK CAN kill a faction frigate worth about 50 to 100 million ISK... provided they are using the right mods in the right configuration and know what they are doing.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39793460/ (Condors caught me and ground me down... I only had time to kill one of them)
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38239838/ (all the Breechers in this KM were T1 fit... I could only kill two of them before being nuked)


... and this...

Quote:
- part of the idea behind the current Skillpoint system is that you can't "powergrind" to success. You MUST learn how to utilize what you have first... which requires you to use your head and be creative. This helps you later on when you can finally use "better" ships/equipment... because you have hopefully familiarized yourself with the underlying mechanics that most Tech 1 ships/equipment utilize.
Example: you may not be able to pilot that sexy Interceptor right away... but that doesn't mean you can't slap together a super fast frigate that does something similar.

How did you Veterans start?
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2014-11-26 22:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
If you fit multiple hundred million ISK modules to your ship, you will be much more likely to be actively hunted down and killed.

Some people I know buy officer modules and resell them at a small loss to get intel on who the end users of these decadent modules are. Then, when you least expect it, they gank your 20 billion ISK ship on a station and claim half of your shiny modules to start the cycle again.

Broad rule of thumb: Don't spend more than 60 million on a frigate sized hull, 300m on a cruiser or 1.25b on a battleship unless you know *exactly* what you are doing AND in addition you are fielding the ship for a specific very important engagement. (Most of the time spend much less than those numbers too - most of my kills have been in 35 million Vexors or 10 million Catalysts, and I'm sitting on a few tens of billions of ISK in assets).

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-11-26 23:19:24 UTC
For the love of your continued Eve career listen to these people. I am sure each one of them will pop you in an instant if they have the chance. But they want to me able to keep popping you again and again over a long period of time, and maybe have you pop them back on occasion.

Listen to the above advice. -pleading sad doe eyes-

It's sound advice.

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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#16 - 2014-11-27 05:40:37 UTC
6b isk officer fit rifter.
Aeryn Maricadie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-11-27 08:24:21 UTC
Clintonm9 Kanjus wrote:
If you have lots of ISK (6 Billion ISK - bought through plex), what ships would you suggest I work to? I am new so I probably will start out with Factional Warfare then look at joining a CORP to fly in small fleets with PVP.

Thanks!

Since your asking what to train towards I would say T2 Frigates or Cruisers, many of the skills are synergistic too so you can do both really, you will just end up in the frigates first. As you train the T2 skills, fly the T1 variants to get to know them. Many of the hulls can be set up to perform in a similar manner and will help you figure out if you like that style or not. Also don't bother with Navy or fleet ships until you can last a decent amount of time in a fight with the normal variants. Also train thermo dynamics to 5, overheating is just that powerful, and the ability to overheat longer makes a huge difference. In fact I'd go as far to say that overheating bonuses are as good as or better than officer mods run cold.

The general advice even if you aren't concerned about isk is to learn on a budget. Because blinging a fit out won't help you much without the SP and XP to back it up. It is better to take out a 30 mil T1 cruiser fit 10 times than a 300mil T2 cruiser once, because its ten times the lessons. I've seen people stick 100mil in T2 rigs on an Omen before, it is entirely wasteful to do that because the performance difference will be very minimal and certainly not worth the 3+ other Omens he could have bought with the money spent on rigs alone. The same goes for implants, there is no reason to have a bunch of pricey implants when you are gonna be dying alot +4 (standards) attribute enhancers in the primary skills you are training and thats it.

Clintonm9 Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-11-27 19:28:33 UTC
Thank you everyone for the feedback!

I know I need to save my money and loss a lot of ships first.
Happy Thanksgiving!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2014-11-27 19:47:45 UTC
Clintonm9 Kanjus wrote:
Thank you everyone for the feedback!

I know I need to save my money and loss a lot of ships first.
Happy Thanksgiving!


Happy turkey day.

Best thing to do is fly cheap frigates in RVB or FW. You will die a lot but you will learn what not to do.
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#20 - 2014-11-27 19:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ione Hunt
Totally situational....there is no such thing as "the best" ship.

Personally, you'd be better off spending the money on a Swiss Army knife ship like the Dominix while you practice PVP'ing. You can set up a Dominix to suit pretty much all situations.
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