EVE General Discussion

I believe any short term loss in players is offset by CCP putting themselves in a position to make a better game overall. As has been said already, all these ISK generating alts that exist solely to farm and funnel resources to a single player does nothing for the game environment. ISK becomes trivial to the player, which should never happen as it totally skews the whole concept of "risk vs. reward". The only player interaction they offer is stripping entire belts, driving up prices with their inflated wallets, and dumping ISK on various forms of pure griefplay because the loss of a ship is inconsequential because ISK is inconsequential and "lol so bored lol tears".

I anticipate that while there will be initially a dip in minerals on the market and production, non-isboxer miners and industrial/mining corps will see an increase in profits in the short term that will even out as more people fire up their mining alts as the money becomes less of a "joke" since the same money one guy was getting with 20 accounts is now distributed among 20 different players.

If ship prices should suffer, CCP can always tuned the material cost to be more inline with the materials. But I doubt this as I think more miners will eventually arrive to collect the money left by any isboxer's void.

As far as PVE, similarly it will curtail single players using multiple accounts to gain inordinate amounts of ISK or LP from incursions, missions, rats, anomalies, etc in spans of time to again, make ISK a trivial commodity. In PVP it eliminates single players having the power of an entire squad or small fleet. You can be sure if you go up against a small gang you are fighting a gang, or if you need a bomber squadron you will need to have individual pilots to put in the hulls. Longterm the ISK value of a fleet comp more of an issue if ships that could be replaced with individual player revenue streams of a billion/hr are now an order of magnitude lower. Management of you corps or individual assets become more of a thing now that ISk doesn't drop out of the sky.

Long term I think that this move will foster a more player-driven (not PLAYER driven) symbiotic environment, better economy, and better Risk/Reward mechanic. This change in addition to the Power Projection changes makes me optimistic about the future of EvE as it is slowly seems to be becoming the game it claims to be. A sandbox where every player can have an impact in their own way, not just the ones with the biggest bankroll (ingame and out).

1. Just because they use it doesnt mean it's against the rules. Derpaherp.

2. You've been grasping at straws without the knowledge of what the program does. You see some dude in local with "Jonny 1-8" and immediately assume he's a bot. If you want to contribute to the discussion, please watch some videos regarding how to setup ISBoxer and EVE, instead of watching the end-product and thinking "a 5 year old can do this". The ruling clearly explained in user-friendly terms that ISBoxer was allowed because it did not let him get up from his keyboard and get a smoke while the program kept flying him around and doing stuff.

[quote[] For over a year, CCP stated that they would not enforce the EULA where ISBoxer was concerned. Now, they've given a 5 week notice that the policy is changing and that using some optional features of ISBoxer starting on 1 January 2015 will result in player bans. ISBoxer itself is not banned, so users can still use the windows management features in ISBoxer.

Look, if you don't like the fact that CCP published its ruling under the Client Modification section of the Third Party Policies that specifically refers to Sections 6A2, 6A3, and 9C, then yell at CCP and tell them they don't know what does and does not violated their own EULA. I can just go by CCP's published policies. [/quote]

CCP also stated that cache-scraping was banned but they wouldn't police it. I've also explained *why* this change is illogical just because a few nullbabies cried in a petition that they got bombed sitting on a station AFK. I went to great pains to explain what this change represented in terms the average player could understand and to give an analogy that someone with a triple digit IQ could understand.

And the bolded part which you tried your best to tie to broadcasting keys and mouse movements to ISBoxer makes zero sense when reading the whole sentence. If you need me to spell it out for you, I shall. ISBoxer allows one to reposition multiple clients windows. It also allows one to take portions of client A and place a viewer on client B and allow one to interact through the viewer. This is not banned. Never was.

Prob not no as its possible to do F1-F8 by any abled bodied person already.
Its were you program it to do something allot more complicated than activating all your guns or something (you can all ready do with with one key press anyway in-game with stacked guns.)

Sorry you confused me abit there when you said "probs not no" and then went on to make it sound it it was okay...

My question was whether or not it was okay, because a quick search on the forums says it is

It was never against the rules. The most you could argue was that using it to automate flying without any input was and always is against the rules.

I'm accusing you of grasping for a reason, ANY reason, that ISBoxer repeating should be banned or was against the rules. "Muh feelings" and "muh AFK battleship got bombed" don't count. The accelerated gameplay clause had been explained by CCP numerous times in the past to be referring to a per-toon basis. There has also been a lack of knowledge for the general public on the difference between a bot and a multiboxer; the biggest difference is that the multiboxer is sitting behind the keyboard and can adjust to sudden situations like someone ragebumping him with a machariel, while the bot is a "dumb program" running over and over without anyone behind the keyboard.

If you know me, you know that I also hate cache scraping and want to see it removed from EVE as soon as possible. Hopefully, real time market data will soon be available to third party developers for sites like EVE-Central through Auth CREST as soon as Rhea and these sites can stop relying on cache scraping for their data. EVE-Central has already indicated they will stop using cache scraped data as soon as they can implement an Auth CREST solution.

And why wouldn't I tie input broadcasting to ISBoxer? That is one of the software's optional features that makes ISBoxer so appealing to its users. Here is a video that demonstrates an ISBoxer user running a Vanguard site utilitizing input broadcasting/multiplexing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbDPHnxLU4

I think in both of my previous posts that I've indicated that ISBoxer is not getting banned, just that using some of the optional features will result in bans. And those may not be a concern in the future, as I've seen posts from Joe Thaler, the creator of ISBoxer and owner of Lavish Software, stating he is considering automatically disabling those features that violate the EVE EULA if ISBoxer detects that the game being played is EVE.

Honestly, all I want at this point is for CCP to enforce a 1 key = 1 action in one client rule. That is what I thought the EULA stated, and that is what the Third Party Policies page implied for over a year. I am glad that CCP is finally explicitly stating this principle and their willingness to enforce that rule.

No, it wasn't. The 3rd party tools part was and has always been talking about bots that require no input. I've told you a dozen times to do your own research yet you continue to ignore it to satisfy some bizarre hateboner against boxers.
I concluded that because you refuse to do even a modicum of research, and you continue to refuse to make a distinction between boxers and bots and classify all boxers on the same level of someone who RMTs or hacked the client to turn him invulnerable.
I'll ignore your pathetic attempt to dismiss my dismissal of 90% of the trolls in the thread who hate boxers simply because they got ganked once.
You just agreed with me that the clause is on a per toon basis. Comparing incursion boxers to a "public" fleet and attempting to say that there is accelerated gameplay is laughable at best, and outright lying at worst.

i understand you get ''pissed'' (frustrated'etc) because of him (Robert Caldara, and you are right, no matter how much times you tell him something he just change direction/dont answer to it:) (ignore as you say, probably right Word) and he trolls a lot -> robert <- (not personal attack, just facts. and i dont talk about anything personal about him, i just see how he behave in this forum :)

Thats why there's a month ban first. As stated in the OP. I'm also pretty sure that only those accounts which are actually broadcasting/recieving the broadcasts will get banned, since all detection will be on their servers when commands enter. The other people will not constantly hit every button at the exact same time.

As a normal player, I would see this as CCP looking at the logs and seeing what "toons" were on what "IP" address at the time and probably a machine ID generated by the client when it sends transactions to the servers and those would be the ones cautioned/banned

this is just how I would implement it, CCP have their own guidelines.