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[Rhea] Small Beam Lasers

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2014-11-27 16:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Hello! For Rhea we are making some adjustments to small sized Beam Lasers, to improve their competitiveness against similar weapons (most notably Pulse Lasers and Railguns).

The changes are:
  • +50% Damage Multiplier
  • -20% Rate of Fire
  • +25% Capacitor Need
  • -10% Tracking
  • +10% Optimal Range
  • Decreased Falloff: -33.3% for Dual Light Beams, -37.5% for Small Focused Beams
  • ~17% decrease in CPU use for Dual Light Beams, ~5% decrease in CPU use for Small Focused Beams

The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo.

These changes are on SISI for your testing pleasure, feel free to give them a try and let us know what you think!

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Adrie Atticus
Circle Mercs
#2 - 2014-11-27 17:01:35 UTC
So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep?

I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty.
Hanazava Karyna
The Foundation Of Mammon
#3 - 2014-11-27 17:04:01 UTC
So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones.
Good changes, thanks a lot.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#4 - 2014-11-27 17:05:14 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep?

I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty.


They're doing both, the small pulse lasers are getting a small range nerf. See the other thread.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2014-11-27 17:05:52 UTC
Hanazava Karyna wrote:
So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones.
Good changes, thanks a lot.


Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes.

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Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
#6 - 2014-11-27 17:06:53 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo.


Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25?
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2014-11-27 17:09:07 UTC
Klingon Admiral wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo.


Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25?


-20% Rate of Fire is the same as +25% time between shots. So it's actually 1.5/1.25 = 1.2. It's tough to find clear terminology here, unfortunately.

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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2014-11-27 17:10:22 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hanazava Karyna wrote:
So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones.
Good changes, thanks a lot.


Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#9 - 2014-11-27 17:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
edit, nevermind confused the beam with the pulse thread

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#10 - 2014-11-27 17:20:18 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Klingon Admiral wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:

The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo.


Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25?


-20% Rate of Fire is the same as +25% time between shots. So it's actually 1.5/1.25 = 1.2. It's tough to find clear terminology here, unfortunately.


you sure about keeping the cap the same on lasers in general? .

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2014-11-27 17:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: TrouserDeagle
why only small beams? the other size beams are useless as well.

edit:

and can you look at renaming the meta 4 lasers?

modulated pulse energy beam and modulated energy beam is just horrible.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#12 - 2014-11-27 17:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#13 - 2014-11-27 17:34:33 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking)


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#14 - 2014-11-27 17:40:27 UTC
Very nice. Now there's actually a reason to fit them at all.

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Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2014-11-27 17:46:20 UTC
Sounds good to me! When I hopped on Sisi to try fitting out a Confessor, I completely ignored small beams and went straight to the pulse. Now it seems there's another option.

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Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2014-11-27 17:50:16 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Confirming beam legion master race


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#17 - 2014-11-27 18:03:11 UTC
LOL rip garmurs

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#18 - 2014-11-27 18:42:12 UTC
Nice changes, but honestly, small blasters need more love than small beams...

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#19 - 2014-11-27 19:01:14 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking)


Try a beamtasm Big smile

topic is, small beams m8

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Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#20 - 2014-11-27 19:02:07 UTC
I look forward to these changes. #L4Z0RZ-4RE-F0REV3R

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