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PvE missions determined by PvP?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#21 - 2014-11-26 10:15:20 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Stealing is fine. Stealing off a two month old player is not fine. Petition it. Accept the result of the petition either way and learn from the situation.


Stealing from a two month old character is fine.

Stealing from a two day old character in a rookie system is not.

The rules prohibit messing with mission runners in rookie systems (which normal missions don't send you into IIRC), on the outgates of those systems, and in the first system of the Sisters epic arc. Everywhere else is 100% fine.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#22 - 2014-11-26 10:43:04 UTC
Sandbox.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-11-26 11:08:28 UTC
Redus Taw wrote:
I do not believe the result of a PvE mission should be determined by another player.


Your beliefs are beside the point. The fact is, EVE is a single-shard PVP game, entirely player influenced. Which means if another player decides to take your stuff, and you can't or won't defend it, you lose it. Player and community interaction is what EVE is about and what shapes it, and in your case, working exactly as intended. No amount of mission running has any influence on the game aside from the loot, salvage, and isk generated.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lugh Crow-Slave
#24 - 2014-11-26 11:10:16 UTC
PvE is a tool to drive PvP

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-11-26 11:10:44 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:

Whoah, people still do that?


When I'm in highsec, it's virtually all I do. Probably won't be going back to highsec anymore though... we'll see.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#26 - 2014-11-26 11:28:05 UTC
OP: The guy messing with lvl2 missionrunners has a bigger problem than you. Trust me.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#27 - 2014-11-26 13:23:05 UTC
PvE and PvP - it's like peanut butter and chocolate... two great tastes that go great together!


Except PvE doesn't really taste all that great without the PvP, much like peanut butter, so you really gotta mix them together.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2014-11-26 13:33:58 UTC
PVE without the PVP is guv'ment issue peanut butter. That's why it tastes so stale. I love it when local lights up after I've been doing my thing. It's not about attention on me so much as suddenly everyone in the system is aware that other people are out there and doing things, sometimes AWFUL things.
Sometimes it's abuse, more often than not that's when the light hearted banter starts up. People start interacting, even if half of it is snark. In a system where local stays silent for hours on end, to some degree I consider this reward enough.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#29 - 2014-11-26 13:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Yarda Black wrote:
OP: The guy messing with lvl2 missionrunners has a bigger problem than you. Trust me.
Depends, if it's a fellow newbie who's joined the dark side, where they have cookies, then more power to them. If it's someone like Ralph or Omar they're not in it for tears; they're willing and able to help newbies out with advice on ships, tactics, what they can do, out of game resources etc.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2014-11-26 13:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
It's sad but true. Oftentimes after a flip I spend a hefty chunk of time explaining not only what just happened to my hapless, but also how to avoid it happening in the future. If they're really curious I will happily explain to them how to do it to their fellow man.
Of course this is entirely dependent upon the attitude of the owner of the recent explosion. If all I get are mewling fits of profanity and rampant butthurt, I already know that it's not worth my time to try.

I edited out a nasty comment about miners. I'm sorry, I know you're not all nasty tempered, anti-social vitriol spewing neckbears. It was mean and I'm sorry... and if you happen to be just that, I'm sure the New Order will be along sometime in the future to annoy you far more than I ever could.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2014-11-26 13:58:41 UTC
Redus Taw wrote:
So I just ran a level 2 security mission when another player tried to duel me so I declined the duel and soon realized I wouldn't be able to complete the mission because the guy ran off with the "package" I needed to pick up. I do not believe the result of a PvE mission should be determined by another player. I had no problem with the player warping up to me and asking to duel, but why in a PvE mission did I lose the mission because of a player and not the environment?
If I'm playing a security mission, why can somebody interfere with the objectives of a mission? PvE has objectives, complete them and beat the mission. PvP has an objective, kill the other guy and you live.
I'm expecting one word answers like "sandbox". I understand its a sandbox, but I'm talking about specific details within the security mission being altered by a player to determine the outcome of the mission. Let me know what you guys think. Fly safe!


A fine example of yet another person who decided to play EVE Online without 1st finding out what EVE online is.EVE isn't like other MMOs wherein their is a stark/hard coded separation between PVE and PVP It's not like games like Star Trek online where no one can come in to your pve unless invited.

The pve mission you were doing was open to pvp in multiple ways. the way you encountered (someone came in and stole your mission objective) is one of that.

The OTHER way was YOU. The rewards for completing that mission was isk and loyalty points. LP can be used to obtain in game items. The existence of that isk flowing into your wallet or the items you bought with LP affects every single other player in this game in one way or another. the price you pay for being able to affect everyone else in the game is that other people can come in and affect you.

So no, you don't not get to be left alone in EVE just because you are doing PVE, because you aren't leaving people alone when you do things like make isk. That was one of the 1st things I was taught by my mentor when i started playing EVE 7 years ago (as a mission runner) and it's unfortunate that no one has taught you this.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2014-11-26 14:04:05 UTC
Also, it's not a 90% guarantee that the invader will win. I've lost several frigs and assault frigs to wily bears who knew what they were doing and had the skills to back their knowledge up. To those who do win in these cases, well, they have earned my respect for one thing. That feeling you get when you suddenly realize that your intended victim is prepared and willing to destroy you is so exciting I can't begin to describe it. Even a loss makes for a good day when that happens, as you've gotten the fight you were looking for and were bested by someone who gets EVE.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#33 - 2014-11-26 14:08:09 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
OP: The guy messing with lvl2 missionrunners has a bigger problem than you. Trust me.

Yeah, no lvl 4 missionrunners in system.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#34 - 2014-11-26 14:14:31 UTC
The false assumption here is that flippers actually check to see what level mission a target might be running.
The truth is, no. We're looking at ship class first and foremost. Upon reaching D-Scan distance we check to see if the ship is named after the character.... a swift background check ensues. If it's not, that waits til arrival on grid.
Character age is only relevant if they're still in trial... if so, well I back off and look for someone else. If not, well, let the fun begin.
Also, these activities are not allowed in rookie systems or the SOE epic arc systems. Smart flippers know what these are and avoid them.... unsmart ones get spanked in the naughty bits for being a derptard and messing with true newbs.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Notorious Fellon
#35 - 2014-11-26 14:37:24 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
True, many folks do use such tactics. I'm usually running solo when flipping, but not always. The thing is that so long as you're suspect you're also open to attack from anyone as well. I've had a target engage, which excited me, and then pick up the batphone.... 8 minutes later the Ishtar lands on grid, drops geckos and wtfpwns me, which made sad. Likewise I occasionally see destroyers come racing to the rescue of besieged mission runners as well.


I have surprised mission invaders by burning toward them in my Ishtar then warp scrambling and double webbing them.

It is possible to fit for both PVE and PVP at once.



In an Ishtar, specifically sure. Most ships suffer greatly when trying to fit for both.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#36 - 2014-11-26 15:39:52 UTC
OP - welcome to mission griefers. A minor nuisance, best ignored. Do not shoot on them or engage them. Just petition CCP to reset the mission for you - they are more than happy to do so. Problem solved, and content denied.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#37 - 2014-11-26 15:43:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
OP - welcome to mission griefers. A minor nuisance, best ignored. Do not shoot on them or engage them. Just petition CCP to reset the mission for you - they are more than happy to do so. Problem solved, and content denied.


Translation "run to mommy for help instead of getting better at the game and learning how to protect your mission objective on your own"

Typical Veers post.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#38 - 2014-11-26 15:46:23 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
OP - welcome to mission griefers. A minor nuisance, best ignored. Do not shoot on them or engage them. Just petition CCP to reset the mission for you - they are more than happy to do so. Problem solved, and content denied.


Translation "run to mommy for help instead of getting better at the game and learning how to protect your mission objective on your own"

Typical Veers post.


Translation - keep playing the game the way I enjoy it, and deny content to griefers, incentivizing them to find something else to do. Incidentally, my preferred approach is to open a convo with them, threaten to shoot them unless they return the loot, which gets them all excited, and then proceed to troll them for the next 10 minuted without shooting. That is incredibly frustrating for these guys and is probably the reason why I don't see any repeat customers. Lol
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#39 - 2014-11-26 15:51:33 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Whoah, people still do that?
When I'm in highsec, it's virtually all I do. Probably won't be going back to highsec anymore though... we'll see.

I jack stuff along trade routes all the time but I haven't looted a mission in at least two years. Also haven't been in a mission hub in that time either (the rest of the game~). Just happy to see the trade still has followers. Suddenly Ninjas were a big part of what knocked me out of the high-sec grind game.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2014-11-26 15:56:41 UTC
Oh look, a wild Veers appears.

I seriously think there needs to be a cumulative 10,000 SP cost for each post in the forums using the word 'griefer'. Butthurt because you were booted from a public minecraft server or something?
Firstly, no flipper in their right mind is going to spend more than 10 minutes on a target, after that it's pretty obvious they aren't going to play ball.
Secondly, petitioning CCP to reset your mission due to outside human influence is arguably an abuse of the petition system. Inarguably it's a pansy move meriting nothing but contempt.
You don't see repeat customers because the amount of wrong you generate actually has mass. It's all our warp drives can do to escape the event horizon of your derpiness.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.