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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#21 - 2014-11-26 04:01:26 UTC
Plasma is a useful form of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum in the entire scifi genre.

Because it's what the Sun's corona is made of, it's just used as a synonym for 'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-11-26 04:11:29 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.


Is that in any way related to wibbley, wobbley, timey-wimey "stuff"?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#23 - 2014-11-26 04:20:56 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.


Is that in any way related to wibbley, wobbley, timey-wimey "stuff"?


More like a wingy bit.



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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2014-11-26 04:46:35 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.

Hey now, can we leave my ex out of this?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-11-26 04:54:50 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I was thinking about plasma and whatnot while working.. Because I use a plasma torch. Anyways hybrid weapons in eve use containment shells with plasma inside. The blasters cycle this into a bolt and shoot it, the containment field dissipates and that essentially makes blasters a plasma shotgun.

Now railguns are said to fire the shell directly, while I used to think it fired the shell which shattered on impact I realized not all rail guns had a barrel, more like a blue material energy shoots out of which convinces me it's just firing the contents of the shell yet again at high velocities.

The problem I have with guns in eve is usage of ammo, projectile weapons only use 1 shell per cycle of machine guns, same with weapons having two barrels, on top of the fact artillary is apparently rocket guided, where do the rockets come from?

The medium dual 250mm railguns are using twin small guns but for convenience it uses medium charges. The weapons all list they use 1 charge per cycle, so maybe CCP intended to use multiple shells for the autocanons. It sure looks like they fire a few each cycle. I don't think if it would be hard to change.


Rockets also seem to be the only weapon with a reload animation.


A: You're overthinking the weapons models. None of those could actually function as a railgun. The 200mm and 250mm could maybe work as a coilgun (Gauss gun), emphasis on maybe.

B: I agree with Abrazzar in that, each 'round' is probably a pack of ammunition. Your ship's computer most likely simplifies it for you.

C: Artillery is rocket assisted. The rockets are... Not in the projectile. I had always assumed that the 'rocket-assisted' part of the artillery cannons was an additional charge that was expended just after the primary charge (in the casing) fired, and that would increase the amount of gas exploding out of the barrel, and thus, putting more force on the projectile.
In this case it isn't really being 'rocket-assisted', but it's the closest concept I can think of, unless of course the rockets ARE actually in the unified Projectile Ammo.
I assume it's just a case of inconsistent lore, like pretty much everything you queried about.

.....

Final note: all of these are a case of making the weapons visually different. I don't see how the Dual 150mm would function as any type of kinetic projectile weapon, but it does. And it's OK, because EVE isn't a real-life simulator.
Solhild
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-11-26 05:51:21 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

Farkin' magnets, how do they work?




The material blocks the ambient charge field coming at it from all directions. The magnetic field is essentially a shadow.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#27 - 2014-11-26 06:32:18 UTC
Don't question it. Just don't.

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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-11-26 07:20:14 UTC
Why do you try to apply logic and real science to EvE when:

Ships in Eve move more like submarines in some kind of syrup...
Space morphing of ammo and cargo....
Projectiles passing through objects if they are not the target i.e fleet blobs primary shooting single targets....
Bumping with no damage...
etc....
etc...
etc...

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2014-11-26 07:43:43 UTC
Trivia:

What did they call Photon Torpedos before they were calling them Photon Torpedos.

Those of you who used rotary phones as kids might know this.

(Those of you who don't know what a rotary phone is go get your diapers changed and google it).

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-11-26 11:16:46 UTC
How do they work?

Who cares? Just give me my Enyo, my Nanite Paste and my Exile boosters and point me at something to shoot.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-11-26 11:18:57 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Don't question it. Just don't.


It doesn't matter anyway. All explanations of EVE-related science can be explained by one thing: quantum physics. Nobody really knows what it is, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with donuts.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#32 - 2014-11-26 16:00:02 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Don't question it. Just don't.


It doesn't matter anyway. All explanations of EVE-related science can be explained by one thing: quantum physics. Nobody really knows what it is, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with donuts.



Quantum physics is considered a pseudoscience. But there are lots of cool ideas running around in it.
Hell, we just discovered how to make light sabers and energy shields possible, last year. Within the next five to ten years, we may have a stem cell cocktail we can inject into you that will keep you young for hundreds of years. Who's to say this "informorph" stuff isn't right around the corner?

It's honestly only a matter of time before someone's space shuttle "puts a shot across the bow" on someone else's space shuttle over disputed "territory". In all honesty, it will probably be Russia that does it.

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#33 - 2014-11-26 16:17:25 UTC
Modern artillery shells include rocket motors - they're called rocket assisted projectiles. I would assume that 20,000 years in the future makind could figure out how to do the same thing.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-assisted_projectile

and:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/m549a1.jpg

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-11-26 17:01:52 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Now railguns are said to fire the shell directly, while I used to think it fired the shell which shattered on impact I realized not all rail guns had a barrel, more like a blue material energy shoots out of which convinces me it's just firing the contents of the shell yet again at high velocities.


Tracer ammunition (tracers) are bullets or cannon caliber projectiles that are built with a small pyrotechnic charge in their base. Ignited by the burning powder, the pyrotechnic composition burns very brightly, making the projectile visible to the naked eye. This
enables the shooter to follow the projectile trajectory to make aiming corrections.

Kinda hard to see a small metal slug wizzing through space at 102397102371073 km/s without them...

Hal Morsh wrote:

The problem I have with guns in eve is usage of ammo, projectile weapons only use 1 shell per cycle of machine guns, same with weapons having two barrels


If you look closely you would see there are multiple projectiles fired "per round". Therefore 1 unit of Plasma M is actually a clip/magazine, sort off.

Hal Morsh wrote:

Rockets also seem to be the only weapon with a reload animation.


Missiles...

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-11-26 17:16:35 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Quantum physics is considered a pseudoscience.


Maybe when the pseudoscientists try to use it, sure. But I was joking above when I said nobody really knows what it is, I thought that was obvious. I assure you, quantum physics or mechanics is a very real science.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2014-11-26 17:50:48 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Plasma is a useful form of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum in the entire scifi genre.

Because it's what the Sun's corona is made of, it's just used as a synonym for 'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#37 - 2014-11-26 18:06:55 UTC
A railgun round does bot contain plasma, it contains a core of atoms of a given type
Ie uranium rounds contain a core of uranium, think of real life nuclear weapons as a nuclear missile contains a core of uranium rock thats been refined so its pure uranium surrounded by high explosive to start the chain reaction

Blasters just extract this solid core, superheats it into plasma and fires it

As for the rocket assisted artillery rounds, once the shall fires the warhead has a 2nd stage that burns as a rocket increasing the range, and some have fins and a laser system for increase accuracy

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-11-26 18:20:40 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
Modern artillery shells include rocket motors - they're called rocket assisted projectiles. I would assume that 20,000 years in the future makind could figure out how to do the same thing.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-assisted_projectile

and:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/m549a1.jpg

The problem that he's pointing out (because he's nitpicking the game) is that autocannons and artillery turrets use the exact same ammo. So if the artillery rounds were rocket-assisted, so would the projectiles that were fired from autocannons.
stoicfaux
#39 - 2014-11-26 19:17:49 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot?

A railgun uses a magnetic field to accelerate the charge, so no need for a barrel.

EVE hybrids can use lead rounds. Lead is diamagnetic.

Diamagnetism:
"Diamagnetic materials create an induced magnetic field in a direction opposite to an externally applied magnetic field, and are repelled by the applied magnetic field"


tl;dr : EVE's lead railgun rounds fire backwards... Always, and I mean always, remember to reverse the polarity on your railguns before firing a lead round...



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Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-11-26 20:34:57 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.

Hey now, can we leave my ex out of this?


I thought she was that - cause that's the symptoms you gave her.
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