EVE General Discussion

The toxicity in this thread from the general player base displayed toward multiboxers is really disconcerting. Almost makes me embarrassed to call myself an EVE player.

Something tells me that CCP isn't targeting miners, because mining is already suicidally-boring, and quite frankly, CCP needs all the miner bots it can get to supply the market with ore. Granted, we can let the invisible hand take over and pay the 50 ISK per unit of Trit that it's actually worth in a normal gameplay environment, so this isn't as troubling from this perspective.

However, in the case of suicide-ganking, it's much more worrisome, because that means that CCP is targeting it as an activity in a way that's different from decreasing the server-wide mineral output. Unlike any other activity in the game, freighter-ganking is one that relies on multiple participants in one form or another, and the time constraints inherent to it mean that one person can't do it as efficiently by slowly, manually tabbing through windows and activating the gankers one at a time.

Now, it's fine if CCP wishes to say that freighter-ganking should be a group thing, that's fine. But then they shouldn't hold it to a double standard, and change current game mechanics so that the activity is as alt-friendly as all others. It's a fact that CONCORD on grid results in a decreased CONCORD response time, which is a problem for someone trying to manually gank with multiple accounts, as each subsequent shooter after the first will suffer an efficiency loss. This type of penalty doesn't exist for someone manually mining with multiple accounts, whether or not they're using multiboxing software (the only difference they'd experience is an increase in effort).

CCP is literally saying that freighter-ganking is the only activity in the game that will now penalize small groups of players using alts in comparison to multiple players using one account each. And I personally don't think that such a double standard should exist.

PS: I don't multibox or gank freighters.

Just about all of what you have said holds true for anything but mining when it comes to tasks that hold a benefit for command broadcast multiboxing. 1 player bomber groups and incursions fleets come to mind in addition to gankers. In the former case it makes controlling a group of bombers unfeasible at best and in the latter case trashes efficiency while creating significant potential for losses.

So wait. You're saying that these people are going to have to go make FRIENDS with other REAL PEOPLE playing this MMO?.. To do that thing that SHOULD require multiple PEOPLE to do? HEAVENS! Don't get me wrong. I think freighters dying his hilarious. Do I think one dude should hit F1 and have 15 tornados fire? Hell no. If you want to kill people that badly, make a corp and meet people who like killing people too. Isn't that the point?

...There must be some way to follow through with this excellent new direction for EVE without imposing what feels like a severe punishment on players who, though perhaps unpopular, have played by the rules.

You didn't actually read what I wrote, did you?

What I said was that as far as suicide-ganking goes, the requirement to make friends in order to conduct this activity shouldn't be held to a double standard, since there's no requirement to make friends for any other activity in the game, due to the fact that using alts is as, or even more efficient than doing it with other players.

You don't need to have friends to cyno your capital ship around the universe, you don't need to have friends in order to run a mission and salvage at the same time, and you don't need to have friends to casually tab through multiple clients during the course of a strip miner cycle. But you [b]will[/b[ need friends to gank freighters. Double standard.

Carmen, I can certainly feel for your situation today.

We have a guy in Alliance that is in a similar position to you. He maintains a 12 character incursion running fleet to run Vanguards. That's his source of income in the game and it's fed straight back into his Corporation to fund his ship replacement program. He recruits new players and provides them with fully fitted ships to go lose in lowsec pvp.

Far from doing anything wrong, he's encouraging everything good about the game at his own personal expense to train and maintain a fleet of characters that he ISBoxers.

I know you are similar, in terms of using the ISK to support other in game activities that are very much in line with what many in GD see as legitimate forms of play.

I hope CCP somehow amends their new policy before it's introduced so that people who use ISBoxer legitimately can continue to use it in the future.

CCP move the goal posts again. Many people multibox with ISboxer in VGs to support so much in game content, this is not something the whining hordes see, but they will when the trickle down effect disseminated form this. So many accounts gonna expire :)