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My EVE Experience so far, Need miner related help.

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Markas Kingstin
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-25 21:18:46 UTC
Hello!

Well, EVE has certainly caught my interest, i'm going to be upgrading my account later today Big smile!

Unfortunately, EVE has one of the hardest learning curves in the game, and so gar my experience has been pretty funny.

I started out as a Explorer, and I was doing well. I was going to relic sites in Hi Sec space, and upgrading my skills so I can start hacking and analyzing stuff, when I decide to foolishly enter a Wormhole. I figured aw what the heck, who knows whats out there, ADVENTURE! I get warped to, quite literally, the edge of the EVE Universe, in null sec space with a rating of -1.0.Shocked The worst part was, the Wormhole collapsed, leaving me stranded and waiting to die. (Which came soon).Evil

I lost my ship, and now currently looking into mining. Any advice for a someone interested in mining? What skill books to buy, are mining drones worth it, what ships to get as a newbie etc. (I already have a newbie ship equipped with very basic mining lasers, but the process seems very dull and slow, especially since I lost everything being warped into null sec.

Thanks, and see you out there!

-Markas
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-11-25 21:31:43 UTC
Markas Kingstin wrote:
Any advice for a someone interested in mining? What skill books to buy, are mining drones worth it, what ships to get as a newbie etc. (I already have a newbie ship equipped with very basic mining lasers, but the process seems very dull and slow, especially since I lost everything being warped into null sec.
-Markas


Welcome to the game and congrats. My suggestion is don't. To clarify do not mine. It is the most mind numbing thing to find in this game. However the core skills will be mining and Astrogeology. The ship skills will be Mining Frigate and Mining Barge. A venture should be a good starting ship. Just to see if you like it. You can find documentation about this from,

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mining

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2014-11-25 21:40:10 UTC
Markas Kingstin wrote:
Hello!

Well, EVE has certainly caught my interest, i'm going to be upgrading my account later today Big smile!

Unfortunately, EVE has one of the hardest learning curves in the game, and so gar my experience has been pretty funny.

I started out as a Explorer, and I was doing well. I was going to relic sites in Hi Sec space, and upgrading my skills so I can start hacking and analyzing stuff, when I decide to foolishly enter a Wormhole. I figured aw what the heck, who knows whats out there, ADVENTURE! I get warped to, quite literally, the edge of the EVE Universe, in null sec space with a rating of -1.0.Shocked The worst part was, the Wormhole collapsed, leaving me stranded and waiting to die. (Which came soon).Evil

I lost my ship, and now currently looking into mining. Any advice for a someone interested in mining? What skill books to buy, are mining drones worth it, what ships to get as a newbie etc. (I already have a newbie ship equipped with very basic mining lasers, but the process seems very dull and slow, especially since I lost everything being warped into null sec.

Thanks, and see you out there!

-Markas


My advice, train the t2 cov ops and go do exploration in nullsec/lowsec, or hell even wormhole space (with its new nullsec data/relic sites in lwoer class wormholes).

You sem to like doing it, and the extra challenge might be even more enjoyable. I assume you stopped because of losing the ship?

As for mining, it's not a fun activity. I9t'a handy if you run several accounts to make isk alongside doing other things with your main account, but as a newbie there are far more fun things to to do make money that don't cost the earth. If you are serious about mining though, Eldwinn's post is pretty good.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2014-11-25 21:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
As Eldwinn said - welcome and we look forward to you enjoying more of New Eden.

I can't stress enough how important it is in this game to do what you want to do. Explore every nook and cranny, lose ships (not too many), build new ones, buy other ones, try various modules. The early part of your experience in EVE will help shape the rest of it. Try mining for a bit and if it is not your cup of tea, try something else.

In no particular order, I'd recommend trying:

Arrow Planetary Interaction
Arrow Manufacturing
Arrow Incursions
Arrow High security space PVP
Arrow Low security space PVP
Arrow No security space PVP
Arrow Missions, including the new Burner missions

I am a big advocate of looking for a corporation or alliance that you can socialize with. They will go a long way in helping you learn the basics and advanced stuff within EVE. Everything in EVE is (mostly) more fun with other people.

You can look for corporations and alliances over here!

Oh, and don't trust anyone. Lol

ISD Decoy

Captain

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Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-11-25 21:55:31 UTC
You seem like you'll enjoy exploration, nothing foolish about jumping through the WH (okay maybe a little...but in a good wayBlink).

Here's a handy dandy graphic showing a bunch of the activities you can engage in.

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Grrr.
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#6 - 2014-11-25 22:03:03 UTC
ISD Decoy wrote:
Oh, and don't trust anyone. Lol

Not even an ISD? What?

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-11-25 22:41:41 UTC
Shelby Dusette wrote:
ISD Decoy wrote:
Oh, and don't trust anyone. Lol

Not even an ISD? What?



He knows your main and alts!Shocked

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-11-26 00:27:20 UTC
So that's who just tried to scam me in game...I'm on to you ISD Decoy...

Grrr.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2014-11-26 01:06:12 UTC
Nothing wrong with losing a ship. It will happen a lot more.

If you liked exploration, I recommend keeping with it, and just doing it in ships you can afford to lose.

Wormhole space is quite dangerous as you no doubt discovered, but it can also be fairly lucrative. Wormholes can also be used to cut across the universe - one moment you are three jumps from Amarr in one of the busiest parts of highsec space, then two wormhole jumps later, you might be deep in the areas of nullsec that Russian alliances call home, placing siphon units to steal extremely expensive moon materials and running lucrative nullsec exploration sites, all the while trying to hide from the people that fought to control the region you are now in.

It's very, very rare that a frigate will collapse a wormhole.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2014-11-26 01:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Shelby Dusette wrote:
ISD Decoy wrote:
Oh, and don't trust anyone. Lol

Not even an ISD? What?

Especially not an ISD Twisted

@OP as others have said mining is a love/hate thing, we've all done it, which is why a lot of us hate it. You may explode while mining, or be extorted for a bribe to leave you alone; the rules allow such things and they're part of Eve Pirate
What you do about it is up to you, attitude will get you a long way with other players, as well as the game in general.

Make friends, ask questions when you explode, ask questions when you don't.

Never fly anything you're not comfortable with losing.

If you're going to mine,

  1. Use a Venture until you can fly a Retriever
  2. Forget about flying a Retriever, get a Procurer instead.
  3. ????
  4. Profit!!!


Try out anything that looks interesting, if you don't like it try something else. There's no set path or class system in Eve, everything is up to you.

Above all, have fun. Eve is about the journey, not the destination.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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BB Avalos
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#11 - 2014-11-26 03:37:03 UTC
Markas Kingstin wrote:

Any advice for a someone interested in mining


Mining is a good way to learn basic game mechanics, warping, targeting, aligning, etc.

Don't let anyone tell you "you shouldn't mine", Eve is filled with limitless possibilities.

Good luck.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-26 05:25:35 UTC
BB Avalos wrote:
Don't let anyone tell you "you shouldn't mine", Eve is filled with limitless possibilities.

We tell people "don't mine" because there's that persistent misconception that newbies need to mine for ISK.

However, mining is pretty bad ISK/h compared to other activities and quite boring on top of that, especially in high-sec. If you want to make ISK, there are a lot of better options in EVE and if that's not enough, you'd earn ISK faster by finding a minimum wage job somewhere and buying PLEX with the wage. (Solo high-sec mining caps at around 10 M ISK/h - that's about 17 US-cents/h.)

That being said, after a rough day in the office, I sometimes find it very relaxing to mine - so, yes do mine if you enjoy it. But really only if you enjoy it.

And given that the OP already stated that he finds mining dull...

If you enjoy getting your ship exploded, there are tons of companies out there who'll be happy to gift you free frigates if you run as their +1.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#13 - 2014-11-26 05:33:59 UTC
Markas Kingstin wrote:
I lost my ship, and now currently looking into mining. Any advice for a someone interested in mining? What skill books to buy, are mining drones worth it, what ships to get as a newbie etc. (I already have a newbie ship equipped with very basic mining lasers, but the process seems very dull and slow, especially since I lost everything being warped into null sec.
Do you mean 'mining' seems dull and slow? If so, you might want to skip mining as many players do. I find mining relaxing and enjoy the occasional appearance of players who try to attack miners. But mining is best when you have another window open reading about Eve or etc -- full AFK not recommended.

If you want to try mining, get a Procurer (or Retriever and a low risk system) & equip it for ice mining. Don't bother with mining drones unless you're a hardcore miner. Ditto with Exhumers.
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-11-26 15:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagatur I
Eldwinn wrote:


Welcome to the game and congrats. My suggestion is don't. To clarify do not mine. It is the most mind numbing thing to find in this game.


Dont listen to advice like this. They are trying to impose their preferred game style on you. In one sentence they brag that EVE is a sandbox and you can do anything you want, and right after they say dont do this, dont do that.
Try it out for yourself. If you like it, do it. If you dont, move on. But dont be the guy who never tried something just because someone on the forum told you not to.
roberts dragon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-11-26 15:48:45 UTC
most of us new players are in the same boat I am lucky I have a friend whos been playing for years so he gave me wads of stuff ,
he has told me first join eve uni corp will help with just about everything with costs ships books advice and help you wont go far wrong .

also I have learned to come on the forums and ask for advice and help wish you good luck

Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#16 - 2014-11-26 16:24:15 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
Eldwinn wrote:


Welcome to the game and congrats. My suggestion is don't. To clarify do not mine. It is the most mind numbing thing to find in this game.


Dont listen to advice like this. They are trying to impose their preferred game style on you. In one sentence they brag that EVE is a sandbox and you can do anything you want, and right after they say dont do this, dont do that.
Try it out for yourself. If you like it, do it. If you dont, move on. But dont be the guy who never tried something just because someone on the forum told you not to.
Bang on.

Eve is a sandbox, and mining is a healthy part of the sandbox. Some enjoy it quite a bit, some don't mind it, some don't care for it, and some hate it.

The arguments for "not" doing it are based on either personal outlook and experience (they found it dull and boring), or perhaps on some form of elitism (you can make more ISK doing other things), and sometimes on the perverse joy of hating on miners, lol, or even an attempt to control the prices of the ore and minerals they're gathering. Blink

It's true that you can make more ISK as opposed to mining, but you need to discover these things and perhaps those things won't tickle your fancy.

Mining is important to the complex economy of New Eden. It's at the root of everything built that is used by others.

The nice thing about mining for a new player is that they can quickly establish a health wallet for themselves and gain an understanding that it's something they can do to enable themselves in being flush. It may or may not be something they pursue further.

The one thing that I suggest anyone avoid is doing activities solo where you can avoid it. Get involved with like-minded groups of players. This is a great thing about Eve. Heck, look at CODE. Like-minded players, having fun together, impacting New Eden. (If you don't know yet, CODE. is an alliance that promotes and funds ganking against "soft" targets such as miners, in hi sec.) You may not like them, but Eve is a sandbox after all. You may not like miners or mining, the same applies.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-11-26 18:25:36 UTC
Markas Kingstin wrote:
(I already have a newbie ship equipped with very basic mining lasers, but the process seems very dull and slow, especially since I lost everything being warped into null sec.


If you don't enjoy mining, don't mine (and I say that as a miner)

If you're really stuck (no ships, broke) and you're a new player, look up The Angel Project. They're essentially a charity for needy new players.

Later, once you're back on your feet, you can donate back to them and help another newbie.
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#18 - 2014-11-27 11:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Chal0ner
Markas Kingstin wrote:
Hello!

Well, EVE has certainly caught my interest, i'm going to be upgrading my account later today Big smile!

Unfortunately, EVE has one of the hardest learning curves in the game, and so gar my experience has been pretty funny.

I started out as a Explorer, and I was doing well. ---
Any advice for a someone interested in mining?


It's pretty outdated now but parts of it might still be useful: http://www.scribd.com/doc/21999746/Halada-s-Complete-Miner-s-Guide-Version-3-0

at least for getting the general basics of the thing and what to expect and so on. Naturally the newer ships are not covered in there. Also he mining ship rebalancing isn't covered so this should be seen as a starting point for your further research.

Anyway, as many has said - if you like exploring such a minor incident shouldn't stop you. Go for a T2 exploring kit and have fun.

Mining btw is best done in groups or while watching video on the telly while semi-afk.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-11-27 11:34:59 UTC
Now, if you already think mining is dull. Heads up, it wont get more fun with progression. Its gameplay will stay the same (target rock, activate lasers till cargo is full or rock pops, unload and repeat), you efficiency will just increase with progression.

Now, if you DO like mining:

Ships:

A. Venture (Prospect)
B. Mining Barges (Procurer = tank / Retriever = Cargohold / Covetor = Cycle efficiency)
C. Exhumers (ships follow their T1 brother but better)

*this means that the Covetor/Hulk are best when done in a fleet. The Retriever/Mackinaw when you are solo (keep in mind that this has the trade off of having a lower tank and thus is a nice easy target for other players) and the Procurer/Skiff is you expect resistance and want a tank.


Also, as a miner who will refine, you want the ore processing skills trained up (both for refining aswel as the ability to use mining crystals in T2 strip miners (given the fact how strip miners work. Use a T1 OR a T2 WITH the correct crystal)

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Tuscor
13.
#20 - 2014-11-27 12:08:36 UTC
Hi Dude,

Great that you are enjoying the game - always nice to have new enthusiastic people joining!

All the advice above is great. Don't give up on exploration! It will probably pay better in the long run. As you upskill you can fly combat exploration ships and take on harder sites as well as maybe partake in some PVP along the way.

I don't hate mining myself. I have an alt that can mine and every now and then I do, just for a bit. It can be nice to mine while chatting to friends or when you are looking at the forums etc. It won't pay great unless you have friends in an orca giving you links, but it can make an honest living if your expenses are not too high.

Keep up the good work

Tusc
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