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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#981 - 2014-11-26 01:39:38 UTC
Nemed Bererund wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Nemed Bererund wrote:
So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?



Keep making stuff up, You might eventually make some sense.
The first post is wonderfully clear.
Read it .


Oh I did I just want some clarification on third party apps like the Market crawlers that automate search's in the market browser. Through the IGB

Quote:
This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters


Since the market data will be available through Crest shortly, I doubt cache scrapers will be of much use going forward.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#982 - 2014-11-26 01:42:11 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
I don't understand why this has to apply to mining or ratting. You're going to lose hundreds of subscriptions over this CCP. What a terrible decision this is.

Please place an exception where broadcasting commands to mine rocks, shoot rats, jettison cargo, etc. is all permitted.


No, no, NO, NONONONO.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#983 - 2014-11-26 01:43:22 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
CCP can save almost the entirety of their mining alt ISBox subscriptions by allowing us to jettison cargo or move cargo to an Orca using broadcasting.

Without that ability it's too much of a hassle to mine and I personally will be retiring my entire fleet over it.

Cry


I call that mission accomplished, personally.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#984 - 2014-11-26 01:45:50 UTC
Firestorm Delta wrote:
Syllviaa wrote:
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
Godren Storm wrote:
Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought.


Not really, since CCP included those commands inside the game client, I think we can safely assume that their use is ok. Otherwise, they could just delete the command options.

I do wish people would quit using the same dumbass arguments over and over again.


Everyone safely assumed that input broadcasting was ok & look what happened. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair mechanics.


If they decide to change them in the future then they will. Remember that the legality of said built in options has NEVER been in question, while the use of macros and such as been against the EULA since before I even started playing.

Also remember it's not ISBoxer that's banned, its the use of third party features that allow a single player to control multiple accounts while only having to input one set of commands. Botting, automation of controls, and stuff like that has been against the EULA for some time, CCP just decided to make it clear that broadcasting commands to multiple game sessions does in fact fall under that category, and is therefore bannable.


CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all.

RIP Richard A. Butt

Electra Magnetic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#985 - 2014-11-26 01:48:07 UTC
Sounds like the devs are reading the reasons why people unsubscribed 10 years ago and just now starting to listen. Guess they had to wait to get their moneys worth before they decided it was worth it to do anything about it. Typical of CCP not to give a **** until everyone is starting to walk away... and then they are like oh no wait... we will give you new content and fix our lousy game. Pathetic...

Glad they are doing something now.... but


10 years to late.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#986 - 2014-11-26 01:48:14 UTC
Hott Pocket wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Bakla Firoz wrote:
I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart?

Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong.



1 month is minimum.



I have 10 accounts. Three of them I will keep forever, because I absolutely love Eve. 7 are ISBoxer miners, paid in full until October 2015. I fully support the (effective) banning of ISBoxer, as it will be easier to be competitive without it. However, will CCP offer ISBoxers with a significant real $$ investment a way out? Perhaps converting unused subs to PLEX, or moving the game time to my other accounts?

I understand that the game will change as CCP sees fit, but as the poster above stated, CCP has repeatedly clarified that they are ok with ISBoxer. If it had been a grey area, I would have never started the extra accounts. Here's hoping CCP will make this right...




Why in the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's noodly appendages would they need to make anything right? You can still use that game time, whether you choose to do so or not.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Firestorm Delta
Aphotic Machina
#987 - 2014-11-26 01:52:58 UTC
Syllviaa wrote:


CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all.


So you plan on clicking your hardeners and weapons every single cycle manually? You want fleets of hundreds of people who are stuck under Tidi to have to manually click everything every cycle? Please, turn all your modules to not auto repeat, play the game for two weeks at every chance you get, and then come explain how having auto repeat on modules is unfair and causes imbalance.

Meanwhile I'll be accepting CCPs decision to make a program that has been in a grey area in regards to the EULA for sometime bannable with certain uses, ie broadcasting across multiple game clients.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#988 - 2014-11-26 01:55:49 UTC
Firestorm Delta wrote:
Syllviaa wrote:


CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics. Automation in all of its forms, whether in built or not are detrimental to the health of EVE Online & must be removed to provide an immersive experience for all.


So you plan on clicking your hardeners and weapons every single cycle manually? You want fleets of hundreds of people who are stuck under Tidi to have to manually click everything every cycle? Please, turn all your modules to not auto repeat, play the game for two weeks at every chance you get, and then come explain how having auto repeat on modules is unfair and causes imbalance.

Meanwhile I'll be accepting CCPs decision to make a program that has been in a grey area in regards to the EULA for sometime bannable with certain uses, ie broadcasting across multiple game clients.


Yes, once CCP removes this botting mechanic from the game I am more than willing to do things as they should be done. CCP has shown that they are willing to revise their stance on unfair gameplay mechanics, particularly where automation is concerned. Be worried for your days are numbered.

RIP Richard A. Butt

Kouga Pegasus
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#989 - 2014-11-26 01:56:53 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules




[/i]


this include the macros than the gamer keyboard or mouse keyboard use , for example for pvp i have 1 button than turn on my hardener

that is a ban


use a gaming keyboard for play a game?ban
Brutus Le'montac
#990 - 2014-11-26 02:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutus Le'montac
are logitech keyboards with macro keys now also prohibited ( if i use the 1 or more of the 18 macro keys)?

if so please send me the info i need to claim 150$ from ccp for a new keybord, or send me a gamer keyboard that does not have macro keys ccp, tyvm in advance.

Thought is dangerous; lack of thought, deadly!

Kouga Pegasus
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#991 - 2014-11-26 02:07:57 UTC
Brutus Le'montac wrote:
are logitech keyboards with macro keys now also prohibited ( if i use the 1 or more of the 18 macro keys)?

if so please send me the info i need to claim 150$ from ccp for a new keybord, or send me a gamer keyboard that does not have macro keys ccp, tyvm in advance.



This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules


SAME QUESTION HELLOO CCPP i am asking tooooo
Nyan Lafisques
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#992 - 2014-11-26 02:13:30 UTC
Kouga Pegasus wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules




[/i]


this include the macros than the gamer keyboard or mouse keyboard use , for example for pvp i have 1 button than turn on my hardener

that is a ban


use a gaming keyboard for play a game?ban


Using the keyboard won't get you banned, using its function to replicate commands will. Just like ISBoxer isn't banned but its use to broadcast commands to multiple clients is, use your brain.
Brutus Le'montac
#993 - 2014-11-26 02:18:50 UTC
Kouga Pegasus wrote:
Brutus Le'montac wrote:
are logitech keyboards with macro keys now also prohibited ( if i use the 1 or more of the 18 macro keys)?

if so please send me the info i need to claim 150$ from ccp for a new keybord, or send me a gamer keyboard that does not have macro keys ccp, tyvm in advance.



This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules


SAME QUESTION HELLOO CCPP i am asking tooooo



aslong as i use it for 1 client only, to activate all my hardners for example it isnt broadcasting to multiple clients so should be allowed?

its so nice that ccp i so clear about this, instead off dropping 1 long list of should and shouldnts, and then withdraw in the dark, oow wait, they are doing just that aint they....

Thought is dangerous; lack of thought, deadly!

DH Bergamont
Masters of Zen
Nomad Alliance
#994 - 2014-11-26 02:28:18 UTC
Banning Is Boxer it will bring a lot of satisfied people in EVE but only on short period of time, banning that program from a form of using it for mining ops it will get to increasing prices of ships and equipment in EVE universe, so it means there will be no more small gangs while small gang will be countered with larger and more organized group, so there you are getting again large scale fights with limited engagement, while every FC will first calculate ship reimbursement

this means small gangs of people who can not afford to lose fitted cruiser that cost 150 mil are dead.

second thing is that price of PLEX will for a first period of time drastically fall down, while there will be no more multyboxing after that due lower income on selling plex some of people might stop bringing PLEX on market while there is no reason to pay 15$ for few cruisers

and third is that CCP will suffer large loss on subscription income, while each serious miner in eve have minimum of 10 mining accounts, and there is many of them in eve

my opinion is that with banning IsBoxer from this game will slow down playing tempo and with time it will become expensive and slow boring thing where most of players will calculate do they can afford to lose ship today or not
Quinn Oron
Apraxia
#995 - 2014-11-26 02:30:43 UTC
RIP bikkus dikkus.
Paul AtreidesMuad
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#996 - 2014-11-26 02:31:12 UTC
My god finally, thank you person who made this real, I start to believe ccp understands what eve players need
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#997 - 2014-11-26 02:33:32 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
CCP can save almost the entirety of their mining alt ISBox subscriptions by allowing us to jettison cargo or move cargo to an Orca using broadcasting.

Without that ability it's too much of a hassle to mine and I personally will be retiring my entire fleet over it.

Cry


good
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#998 - 2014-11-26 02:35:57 UTC
DH Bergamont wrote:
Banning Is Boxer it will bring a lot of satisfied people in EVE but only on short period of time, banning that program from a form of using it for mining ops it will get to increasing prices of ships and equipment in EVE universe, so it means there will be no more small gangs while small gang will be countered with larger and more organized group, so there you are getting again large scale fights with limited engagement, while every FC will first calculate ship reimbursement

this means small gangs of people who can not afford to lose fitted cruiser that cost 150 mil are dead.

second thing is that price of PLEX will for a first period of time drastically fall down, while there will be no more multyboxing after that due lower income on selling plex some of people might stop bringing PLEX on market while there is no reason to pay 15$ for few cruisers

and third is that CCP will suffer large loss on subscription income, while each serious miner in eve have minimum of 10 mining accounts, and there is many of them in eve

my opinion is that with banning IsBoxer from this game will slow down playing tempo and with time it will become expensive and slow boring thing where most of players will calculate do they can afford to lose ship today or not



The problem with the logic is that if cruisers jump to 150 million, the typical person, crazy person, or anybody, won't bother buying them. Market gets flooded, people want to sell it, price drops. The market balances itself out in the end.

Not worried about it (then again I fly around in crap made from gas not rock).

You cannot use the threat of "the market" as a reason to change or not change something.


Yaay!!!!

Good Posting Reloaded
My Real Mind
#999 - 2014-11-26 02:36:47 UTC
Good job CCP.

I wondering why now and not before but better late than never.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#1000 - 2014-11-26 02:42:00 UTC
wont this just mean that a person has to bind more keys to there keyboard. f1 can be guns on client 1 f2 guns on client 2. So I would say see how the changes shake out once they are live. I'm sure the isboxer that tries will still find ways to do most of what he does and still be legal, just with a little more thought and planning in the set up. Along with the fact that isboxer is will to make changes to better adapt there program to the game.