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HAC rebalance: Zealot
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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#1 - 2014-11-25 19:59:23 UTC
The Zealot is in dire need of some tiny teaks, nothing major but something to make her as good as other HACs that can do pretty good on their own.

Capacitor recharge.

Fitting beam lasers on a Zealot can be done and beam lasers are a decent long range medium turret. The Zealot has a range bonus that helps with kiting at longer ranges.

Here is a pickle,
while you can fit beam lasers and mwd around at decent speeds, you cannot press fire at any time or your shiney Zealot suddenly goes offline for the time it takes 2 or 3 ceptors can kill her.

Demands of Aurora and Gleam M crystals are too demanding for the sad capacitor to keep up.

Isn't so bad?

Maybe you even want a medium rep or two on your HAC to keep her on the field for a longer time.

The solutions could be either to give her better capacitor recharge or medium beam lasers become a little less demanding.

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Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-11-25 20:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vadeim Rizen
The zealot is fine. Use mega pulse w/scorch and a cap booster if you're still having cap issues.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2014-11-25 20:04:40 UTC
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
The zealot is fine. Use mega pulse w/scorch and a cap booster if you're still having cap issues.


Yes I always wanted that Zealot to fit battleship turrets.

Anyhow, I was talking about beams on the Zealot not heavy pulses.

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Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-11-25 20:24:09 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
The zealot is fine. Use mega pulse w/scorch and a cap booster if you're still having cap issues.


Yes I always wanted that Zealot to fit battleship turrets.

Anyhow, I was talking about beams on the Zealot not heavy pulses.


haha my bad but thanks for understanding what i meant :)
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#5 - 2014-11-25 20:38:06 UTC
beams are in need of some attention for sure .. the zealot now has too compete with the Devoter aswell as the Nomen, so making it at least the best beam user of the 3 would help its usefulness

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#6 - 2014-11-25 20:55:58 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
beams are in need of some attention for sure .. the zealot now has too compete with the Devoter aswell as the Nomen, so making it at least the best beam user of the 3 would help its usefulness


Exactly!

That's what I have in mind.

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-11-25 21:05:42 UTC
I have said it before and I will say it again: Drones.

Drones, drones drones give it f*cking drones.

50/75, 25/40, whatever. Just give it a full flight of drones, for christ's sake.


After that, While I would support exchanging the cap usage bonus for a tracking buff and increasing cap regen to over that of the sacrilege, I don't view it as necessary as the Zealot is primarily designed as a fleet sniper (or at the very least, functions best as one). It just needs the ability to defend itself against small ships, which it very definitely cannot.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#8 - 2014-11-25 22:40:58 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
I have said it before and I will say it again: Drones.

Drones, drones drones give it f*cking drones.

50/75, 25/40, whatever. Just give it a full flight of drones, for christ's sake.


After that, While I would support exchanging the cap usage bonus for a tracking buff and increasing cap regen to over that of the sacrilege, I don't view it as necessary as the Zealot is primarily designed as a fleet sniper (or at the very least, functions best as one). It just needs the ability to defend itself against small ships, which it very definitely cannot.



we don't need more drones

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#9 - 2014-11-25 23:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Zealot looks fine to me. 600/450dps brawl/kite and 660dps tank (dual rep ancil-T2). Cap stable with booster.

25m3 / 50bay drones would be useful as mentioned

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Omega Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-11-25 23:53:20 UTC
Zealot needs a 4th mid, more speed, agility, drone bay and a tracking bonus. It's kinda sad that CCP takes balance decisions based only on nullsec doctrines. Im pretty sure this changes would not influence a lot on a PVP bigger escale
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-11-25 23:54:57 UTC
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
The zealot is fine. Use mega pulse w/scorch and a cap booster if you're still having cap issues.


It is not.. navy omen makes the zealot useless in the majorityof the cases. On the rest of the cases the sacriledge is better (when you need to brawl)

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#12 - 2014-11-26 00:31:58 UTC
If I had to boost the Zealot, I'd move the turret capacitor use into the base capacitor recharge, replace that bonus with 7.5% tracking and reduce the mass somewhat to increase MWD speed and general agility.

Then it would be more effective in short range brawling with pulses, kiting and mobility in sniper duty.

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Bullet Therapist
FT Cold Corporation
#13 - 2014-11-26 01:27:49 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
If I had to boost the Zealot, I'd move the turret capacitor use into the base capacitor recharge, replace that bonus with 7.5% tracking and reduce the mass somewhat to increase MWD speed and general agility.

Then it would be more effective in short range brawling with pulses, kiting and mobility in sniper duty.


I think that a change to base capacitors on amarr hulls with a turret capacitor reduction wouldn't be a bad thing. It's always seemed like such a wasted bonus to me.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#14 - 2014-11-26 01:27:51 UTC
If CCP is going to revisit HACs they better start with the poor Muninn, its the bastardized son of the Minmatar right now

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2014-11-26 01:30:35 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
If CCP is going to revisit HACs they better start with the poor Muninn, its the bastardized son of the Minmatar right now


..and as soon as there is a thread about that problem of yours, you can tell us all about it.

This is about the Zealot being not okay with medium beam lasers and tech2 crystals.

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