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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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horis hurbunker
Vapor Lock.
Vapor-Lock
#541 - 2014-11-25 19:24:38 UTC
can we stop whining about the the 3 or 4 account problem and talk about the real reason this was put in the people with 30 toons running solo incursions making what was meant to be a large group activity a solo grind fest that make the market hyper inflated. or the fact that people rat with 7 super carriers in different systems at the same time. The amount of isk these people are making is causing the raise in plex price which is bad for almost every one who does not make 2 billion + a day. and yes there is the solo 10 man pvp gangs that do silly things and i am sure that ccp is going to start with the worst offenders before they check and see who is mining with 3 accounts or what ever else your doing so long as your not screwing up the game for other players
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#542 - 2014-11-25 19:24:55 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ?


The easiest explanation is if you push one button, and it sends the command to multiple accounts at the same time it's NOT OK.

Using ISBox to 'tile' your clients on one monitor, but then manually inputting a command to each individual client is OK.

o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function

and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly


is both illegal now?


If you are doing this to say broadcast for reps, on one account no. Hot binding/shortcuts are not banned. Entering a delay to activate a shortcut is not banned.

If you are pressing this shortcut once and ALL your accounts say 'broadcast for reps', that is banned.

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Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#543 - 2014-11-25 19:25:54 UTC
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#544 - 2014-11-25 19:26:16 UTC
Taram Caldar wrote:
eiedu wrote:
RIP incursions
RIP Ratting
RIP bombing

Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts

How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise


If you have to ask you have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm more concerned that he seems to be confused as to the vast difference between using multiple accounts and using ISBoxer

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WhiteyUSMC
The Milkmen
Churn and Burn
#545 - 2014-11-25 19:27:24 UTC
Suddenly I feel better about resubbing (nosarcasm)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#546 - 2014-11-25 19:27:48 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.


That can only happen when they remove local.Blink
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#547 - 2014-11-25 19:28:47 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ?


The easiest explanation is if you push one button, and it sends the command to multiple accounts at the same time it's NOT OK.

Using ISBox to 'tile' your clients on one monitor, but then manually inputting a command to each individual client is OK.

o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function

and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly


is both illegal now?


If you are doing this to say broadcast for reps, on one account no. Hot binding/shortcuts are not banned. Entering a delay to activate a shortcut is not banned.

If you are pressing this shortcut once and ALL your accounts say 'broadcast for reps', that is banned.

no i only do it for 1 account i cant pvp with more then 1 lol u would have to be some kind of god to do any combat with more than 1

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Bisu Deckryder
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#548 - 2014-11-25 19:28:56 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.

No its not, this change isn't about making carebearing easier, so there isn't any actual logical follow through.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#549 - 2014-11-25 19:29:26 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.


Yup nerf all things that threaten the rich boy club of nullsec.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#550 - 2014-11-25 19:29:49 UTC
Taram Caldar wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Mierin Arthie wrote:
How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


That doesn't broadcast, it just changes where input goes - it should be fine.


Wrong
it broadcasts a single command to multiple systems

Still applies.

Seriously people.... reading comprehension


No, that's not what a KVM switch does. It is a switch that allows you to select which system to send input to. It's 1:1.


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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#551 - 2014-11-25 19:29:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.


That can only happen when they remove local.Blink



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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#552 - 2014-11-25 19:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
KVMs

A KVM is typically used to broadcast keyboard and mouse to one computer out of many at a time.
It's real strength lies in being able to select WHICH computer out of many without lots of plugging and unplugging cables.
e.g. manage many servers in a datacentre from one keyboard mouse and monitor.

If you use a KVM in this way to mange many eve clients but only manage one at any time you're fine.
If you use some form of modified KVM to broadcast to many eve clients at the same/simultaneously time then this is not allowed under the news rules.

The rule of thumb is does an action, e.g. a click or keypress affect more than one instance of the eve client at the same time?
If yes then disallowed.

This only applies to in game actions that affect the eve universe. Cient side non universe affecting things are mostly fine.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#553 - 2014-11-25 19:31:42 UTC
It seems PLEX have dropped by 50m since this thread went up.

I can't complain about that.

Mr Epeen Cool
Master Apollyon
BLACK REGIMENT
#554 - 2014-11-25 19:32:29 UTC
Finally!

No more farm accounts.
Systimus
Doomheim
#555 - 2014-11-25 19:32:50 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.

If you never used it to do anything other than auto pilot or dock, why would this bother you at all? Smile

You should probably get your story straight.

Personally I don't care one way or the other, but there are a few good points to all this.

1: Restrictions on bomber use don't have to be as severe.
2: More people will be able to make their living mining.
3: Wealth is better distributed across the general population of miners.
4: PLEX prices will drop quickly, which will be welcome news to many.

To explain the latter, your average ISBoxer miner pays for all of his accounts with PLEX purchased off the market with ISK. His tolerance for higher PLEX prices is MUCH higher than the average EVE player due to his extremely high income stream per account he is funding. In other words, the large number of "high rollers" providing a steady market for over priced PLEX will be sharply and suddenly curtailed.

Which I never had a problem with ISBoxer being in game, even I have to admit this helps to solve a lot of problems.


Ranger, I find you really offensive. My story straight ?

I think ccp need to clarify what they intend to ban. Any action that affects the universe ...... If using auto pilot or docking is specifically excempt then please ccp clarify. Also, I have never plexd any account and pay for all 4 every month with real money. I don't do pvp on any of my accounts and I find mining relaxing. I feel mining with 1 account a little boring but mining with 4 much more enjoyable. Do I gave an advantage over someone playing with a single account maybe. But if they wanted to pay for 4 accounts they could have that advantage too.
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#556 - 2014-11-25 19:32:57 UTC
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.


Bye :)
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#557 - 2014-11-25 19:33:08 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.


Yup nerf all things that threaten the rich boy club of nullsec.


(As if we don't actively have the largest base of afk cloaking alts in the game, because we can afford the accounts)
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#558 - 2014-11-25 19:33:10 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
It seems PLEX have dropped by 50m since this thread went up.

I can't complain about that.

Mr Epeen Cool


Tritanium is going to go higher than PLEX at the current rate of change :)
RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#559 - 2014-11-25 19:33:34 UTC
Querns wrote:
This will probably never happen. This game is pretty much impossible to play on any meaningful level without multiboxing.

I guess that depends on what you mean by "meaningful level". Devoid of any useful definition of that phrase, this statement is utter crap.

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Prisoner11213
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#560 - 2014-11-25 19:34:25 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
It seems PLEX have dropped by 50m since this thread went up.

I can't complain about that.

Mr Epeen Cool



Let them fall LET THEM FALL AND BE BURN AWAY.


Got my money rdy to buy some when they are rising again cant wait !!