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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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BamBam Inc.
#241 - 2014-11-25 17:32:37 UTC
Querns wrote:
embrel wrote:
Stephan Schneider wrote:
all the lost money for ccp

i can see hundreds of mining alts just die

just change it so the ban only goes for pvp related activities

They'll hardly lose a buck. Don't see a ISboxer actually paying for his accounts. Any drop in PLEX prices already??

A good day for Eve.

And the whiners who whine that other people whined successfully... LOL

Do you really think that people subscribing with PLEX somehow deny CCP a sale? People who PLEX their accounts are just paying with someone else's money. CCP gets theirs no matter what. In fact, every account sustained via PLEX grosses CCP 33% MORE money than the same account kept alive with a traditional subscription, due to PLEX costing $20 (compared to the traditional sub costing $15.)

What I am saying is that I doubt ISboxers paid money for their boxes. The guy buying plex does and most prolly will continue to do so. CCP cashflow will only marginally be affected by this wise decision.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#242 - 2014-11-25 17:33:01 UTC
Airi Cho wrote:
saved fittings dude.

just saying.

Fittings ain't the problem. Separating out a few hundred skillbooks is.
Zero Fun Allowed
#243 - 2014-11-25 17:33:15 UTC
About time.
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#244 - 2014-11-25 17:33:28 UTC
Nevil Kincade wrote:
This comes over a decade too late. However, thanks !

The EULA has always been clear about input automation of any kind being forbidden. It's just that the company now starts living up to it's own standards. And that's why I am concerned that CCP will go too soft on the people searching for loopholes already.

Anyway it's a small step in the right direction and if CPP goes on, disperses the blob and breaks up the RMT cartell i might just end up paying real money for this game again one day.

I hope you realize that subscribing your account with PLEX is as supportive of CCP as subscribing it with real money.
Interbus Universal
#245 - 2014-11-25 17:33:35 UTC
Was the new trailer so successful in drawing new players that CCP think they can afford to lose all those multi accounts?

Well anyway, I support this. I don't think these auto-multiboxers contributed much to the game experience of anyone.


HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#246 - 2014-11-25 17:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Ancy Denaries wrote:
Fiberton wrote:
Hrm so Mining goods are about to sky rocket. Ok so I have never used one of these things you speak of but even I after over 10 years in the game know that this is a terrible idea. So when you are making decisions did you consult an accountant? You realize that you are prob going to reduce CCP income about 3M a year just from logins who will drop accounts that are used for that sort of thing ? Ok not to tell you guys how to run a company but just flying around for so many years and knowing persons who use that.. At least 5% of eve is just miners on isboxer. Good luck on driving into a brick wall or whatever you dudes do.. Phobe great idea. this.. I would consult an accountant.




The door is over there. ->

You didn't adapt, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal..
Anti-multi-boxers are all the same, they see something they can't or won't do, so it must be stopped. I really excepted a much more mature community in EvE but reading this thread reminds me of the WoW forums. Enjoy your shrinking community Ancy, you earned!
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#247 - 2014-11-25 17:34:38 UTC
So I use Synergy to connect 3 computers to a single KB/M. I run 5 accounts at the same time. I have to send commands to each client separately. Most of the time each character is using a different kind of ship. This is still allowed correct?

Luscius Uta
#248 - 2014-11-25 17:34:57 UTC
As a fan of replicator, I'm genuienely saddened by this :(
I think it's pretty easy to figure out who pushed forward this change as replicator's bombers caused more Goon losses than entire 0.0 alliances
But I still think CCP shot themselves in a foot with this decision as it will cause a big drop in active subsciptions

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

Amarr Empire
#249 - 2014-11-25 17:35:23 UTC
After CCP tanked WhiteWolf and the WOD MMO, this is just the last straw.
Skippy Peanut
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#250 - 2014-11-25 17:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippy Peanut
will this guy with accounts called "replicator00xx" be an example to be banned ?


Vincent Athena
#251 - 2014-11-25 17:35:28 UTC
Gina Taroen wrote:
lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D

I wonder how many people will come back and re-sub because of this.

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Aida Azizora
Kailaini Corporation
#252 - 2014-11-25 17:36:19 UTC
XXXMina wrote:
this is not right, you cant change the rules after 10 years, i got 5 accounts because it made sense with how the game is. now i cant use what little automation i take advantage of (just pressing the f keys ) . also jump fatigue and jump range change suxx: this is a space sim, way to clip our wings.

This IS right. You want 5 accounts, PLAY 5 accounts. Or is that beyond your capabilities?

PS: im unsubbing all my accounts . you have till my 3 month sub runs out to fix this game.

Buh bye!
Not Primary Disengage
Chemical Redox
#253 - 2014-11-25 17:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Primary Disengage
this is a mistake. i would not have resubscribed if I knew this would be restricted.

No other MMO restricts this and no other MMO is as well suited towards it as EVE.

Perhaps fixing your game is the solution and not banning activities that exploit its flaws.

Disappointing how Devs can make a complete 180.

Please refund my accounts.
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#254 - 2014-11-25 17:36:51 UTC
Cloora wrote:
So I use Synergy to connect 3 computers to a single KB/M. I run 5 accounts at the same time. I have to send commands to each client separately. Most of the time each character is using a different kind of ship. This is still allowed correct?

Yes. because you are manually playing each client on it's own.
irion felpamy
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2014-11-25 17:37:05 UTC
I give CCP a lot of crap over a lot of things, I really feel it would be unfair not to give them a honest "good job" for this one.
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#256 - 2014-11-25 17:37:39 UTC
Reznoriam wrote:
After CCP tanked WhiteWolf and the WOD MMO, this is just the last straw.

Bye :)
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2014-11-25 17:38:47 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Gina Taroen wrote:
lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D

I wonder how many people will come back and re-sub because of this.

How many old MMOs have you resubed to because they banned multiboxing?

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Chalithra Lathar
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#258 - 2014-11-25 17:39:06 UTC
ISboxer here.

To be completely honest, multiboxing was the primary reason I even considered trying EVE online in the first place. I would not be posting on these forums today if not for the fact that ISboxing was allowed in the game.

Seeing a move like this is a real bummer, but kudos for spelling it out before hand instead of doing it Blizzard style and ninjaing it in. Big smile

unfortunately, I like to speak with my wallet with this issue, and can no longer support CCP at this time.

It will be interesting to see the effect of not only the in-game markets, but the subscriber numbers as a whole.

fly safe o7
Infinite Destruction
The Brotherhood MC
#259 - 2014-11-25 17:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinite Destruction
Lol at all the fake "I'm going to unsub all (xxx) of my accounts" posts that always happen every time CCP changes something (like they don't know what a load of BS that is). Here's a hint - they actually do have accountants and people who can make fancy graphs and charts and see just how few people (if any) actually do unsub their accounts, especially on a whim minutes after a new change is posted.

I've been running 6 accounts on yearly subs for almost 6 years now. Still don't have a clue how to macro anything and can't be bothered trying to automate anything. Just alt-tab my @ss off (my left thumb and middle finger are almost twice as big and muscly as the ones on my right hand) ! At best I run 4 clients on one computer and 2 on the other, crappier (Alienware POS). Fine for indy, PI, research, but for PvP I rarely run more than 2 clients at a time.

Then again, I pay to play because I enjoy playing the game. I could care less what my "isk/hour" ratio is because I don't play to make isk, I play for fun and entertainment. That is also why I've never try to automate anything. It's a challenge to me to run everything manually, having to flip back and forth between clients and remember what each was doing. Just the idea of being able to click one button and having all 6 clients do the same thing at the same time seems.......boring. Even when I have all 6 running at the same time, I rarely have more than 2-3 of them doing the same thing at once anyways.

I recall back in my earliest days of EVE that "botters" and people running scripts were despised and hunted down (and/or reported). Seems the problem just kept getting worse to the point where you enter a system and see 25 names (miner1, miner2, miner3...miner 25) and people keep coming up with new ways to get around the rules.

Won't be any different this time. Lots of moaners threatening to quit. Lots of "but my case is different, even if it's exactly the same as 2,000 other people have already mentioned". Lots of tears (from indies and gankers it seems) but in the end very little will change.
HC GularTog
HC Dude's Rough Riders
#260 - 2014-11-25 17:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: HC GularTog
Great news .... been watching too many isboxers just vaporizing a target using this crap. I myself got toasted in a 115K HP Gnosis ... instantly & podded in the blink of any eye by 10 Maelstroms ... or that Borg Sphere that loves to have like 47 ships wipe out a entire ice belt in 12 min ....

ps ... forgive me for soundng "old" .... but using any exploit to gain a edge in a game has always been called CHEATING.

CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the Company Motto...