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Caps in HS, the next step?
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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-11-23 23:42:21 UTC
Now that carriers and such can use gates, is the next step the re-introduction of them into highsec?

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-11-24 06:48:59 UTC
So far the word from CCP is a definitive "maybe, and not any time soon".
Oxide Ammar
#3 - 2014-11-24 07:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxide Ammar
TBH I was one of the biggest supporter for Caps in hisec, but when you dive in game you find that there is no single activity in hisec can't be done in sub cap ship, if you add to that caps can't take acceleration gates you are nullifying big portion lvl 4 missions and all the incursion so I don't see a reason to bring them here.

Unless CCP introduce new level of incursion sites that can be completed only in cap fleet, something difficult like sites take an hour to complete and pays like 120-140 mill or reintroduce level 5 agents again in hisec.

Edit: the only activity that cap ship excel at can be used in hisec is POS bashing but bringing caps to hisec without fixing POS code first bringing a lot of complications.

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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2014-11-24 12:23:01 UTC
While CCP has def opened that door a crack, it brings back up the question of hisec population density. Especially if more things are added to hisec to "make use" of those caps what reason would there ever be for anyone to leave? Incursions are already too much reward for minimal risk when compared to income from the average line member in nul.

That said however, I do think there would be some interesting shake up and creative game play if they tied it in with the "fall of hisec" that has been alluded to, and occupancy based sov.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-11-24 20:31:32 UTC
I'd be happy, because I could become a nomad. Carry all my stuff in one ship, be able to do anything and everything. Sure I can do that now but not without the possibility of being gang-raped by 20 supers.

Also, the argument of "what would you do with it?" doesn't really work seeing as ships like stealth bombers and ecm ships aren't really utilized in -most- highsec activities yet they're fully allowed to fart around at their will. Minus bombs of course but ccp could do the same thing to DD's.

Problem solved.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#6 - 2014-11-25 01:39:14 UTC
I think....yes.

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Sadario
Know-Nothings
Negative Feedback
#7 - 2014-11-25 18:18:12 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
TBH I was one of the biggest supporter for Caps in hisec, but when you dive in game you find that there is no single activity in hisec can't be done in sub cap ship, if you add to that caps can't take acceleration gates you are nullifying big portion lvl 4 missions and all the incursion so I don't see a reason to bring them here.

Unless CCP introduce new level of incursion sites that can be completed only in cap fleet, something difficult like sites take an hour to complete and pays like 120-140 mill or reintroduce level 5 agents again in hisec.

Edit: the only activity that cap ship excel at can be used in hisec is POS bashing but bringing caps to hisec without fixing POS code first bringing a lot of complications.


Well... What about PVP?
Pos-repping?
The ship maintenance bay ought to count for something as well?
Tolkenmoon
Hogan's Heroes
#8 - 2014-11-25 20:04:01 UTC
I would like to be able to use the rorq in hisec. i wouldn't mind being able to use capitals either as i would love to own a Hel or a Nidhoggur.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#9 - 2014-11-25 23:53:16 UTC
If this does happen, I see it being limited to 0.7 and below at first, like the old POS anchoring restrictions. Not only does it make sense from a lore standpoint (kinda), it would add an appeal to POSes anchored in 0.8 and up systems that opened up in Crius: they'd be immune to capitals. This would also likely create a few pockets of hisec where capitals couldn't go due to 0.8+ systems intervening.

Mind you, that's a very large "if".

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d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-11-26 04:08:00 UTC
Let carriers enter high sec to run logistics. Cheaper thank stronger than JF.

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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-11-26 04:46:43 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
Let carriers enter high sec to run logistics. Cheaper thank stronger than JF.


An interesting point in conjunction with this would be where the bowhead fits into a world where carriers can reach anywhere in space.
Oxide Ammar
#12 - 2014-11-26 05:39:26 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
If this does happen, I see it being limited to 0.7 and below at first, like the old POS anchoring restrictions. Not only does it make sense from a lore standpoint (kinda), it would add an appeal to POSes anchored in 0.8 and up systems that opened up in Crius: they'd be immune to capitals. This would also likely create a few pockets of hisec where capitals couldn't go due to 0.8+ systems intervening.

Mind you, that's a very large "if".


I'd rather restrict them from hisec than half baked solution like this, Also by letting caps in hisec it will be the end of ganking.Bear

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Altair Taurus
#13 - 2014-11-26 14:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Simply speaking it would be idiotic to allow caps in hi-sec without allowing them to carry any reasonable activity there. Yet those vessels are not balanced for hi-sec environment thus CCP would be pressed to create new content in hi-sec for caps. This way difference between hi-sec and low/null-sec would become less clear overall.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2014-11-26 22:53:46 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
If this does happen, I see it being limited to 0.7 and below at first, like the old POS anchoring restrictions. Not only does it make sense from a lore standpoint (kinda), it would add an appeal to POSes anchored in 0.8 and up systems that opened up in Crius: they'd be immune to capitals. This would also likely create a few pockets of hisec where capitals couldn't go due to 0.8+ systems intervening.

Mind you, that's a very large "if".


I'd rather restrict them from hisec than half baked solution like this, Also by letting caps in hisec it will be the end of ganking.Bear



Speaking as a ganker, capitals in HS would have no impact on ganking.

The main difference HS caps would introduce would be to POS bashing, as already stated.

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Oxide Ammar
#15 - 2014-12-04 09:02:46 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
If this does happen, I see it being limited to 0.7 and below at first, like the old POS anchoring restrictions. Not only does it make sense from a lore standpoint (kinda), it would add an appeal to POSes anchored in 0.8 and up systems that opened up in Crius: they'd be immune to capitals. This would also likely create a few pockets of hisec where capitals couldn't go due to 0.8+ systems intervening.

Mind you, that's a very large "if".


I'd rather restrict them from hisec than half baked solution like this, Also by letting caps in hisec it will be the end of ganking.Bear



Speaking as a ganker, capitals in HS would have no impact on ganking.

The main difference HS caps would introduce would be to POS bashing, as already stated.


You won't be able to break the tank buffer of any cap ship in hisec before you get concorded, show me how many Talos you need to break the tank of triage II dual rep carrier...and I'm not talking yet about blingy carrier...lol

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#16 - 2014-12-04 19:18:32 UTC
I think when they talk about allowing caps in HS it's about being able to cut across HS to get from one LS/null region to another. I haven't seen any discussion by CCP about allowing a cap ship to be used in HS. If you're thinking of someday running a lvl 4 mission w/ a carrier..... think again.

I doubt they will do this personally. Once they get done making null and LS playable again I think folks will actually enjoy the game enough to stop whining about unimportant stuff like allowing caps to cut across HS. The current outcry for it is mostly from cap pilots that haven't realized that fun can be had w/out pushing the 'I win' archon/sentry button and going to make a sandwitch. My prediction is that the current move toward meaningful pvp will quiet the crowd of crybabies that are tearing up over their capital ships being ruined.

I'll say there isn't a good gameplay reason for them to be used in or cut through HS. Hopefully CCP will resist the urge of the whining masses so we don't end up with another stale and unplayable nulsec again in a few years. Having caps and concord in the same system is just borked.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#17 - 2014-12-05 16:58:08 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
TBH I was one of the biggest supporter for Caps in hisec, but when you dive in game you find that there is no single activity in hisec can't be done in sub cap ship, if you add to that caps can't take acceleration gates you are nullifying big portion lvl 4 missions and all the incursion so I don't see a reason to bring them here.

Unless CCP introduce new level of incursion sites that can be completed only in cap fleet, something difficult like sites take an hour to complete and pays like 120-140 mill or reintroduce level 5 agents again in hisec.

its not like CCP banned caps from high sec because of PVE.

Oxide Ammar wrote:
Edit: the only activity that cap ship excel at can be used in hisec is POS bashing but bringing caps to hisec without fixing POS code first bringing a lot of complications.

do we even wanna start thinking about what would happen if a few carriers decide to undock near a station and provide remote repping to the ppl fighting there?
i mean then people would start undocking dreadnaught just to fight those carriers and then let the escalation begin.