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No, cloaking should remain as it is today.

So basically you're butt-hurt because a covops hauler got through your gate-camp, so you want a guaranteed method to catch them instead of actually earning some real PvP kills?

Horribly bad idea.

So what? You're cloaked and safe somewhere and can't be touched.

Big frakking deal. Cloak up in a wormhole, same thing, yet no one bitches about that. Ever stop to wonder why? Ever really sit down and think about the real difference, and real issue here?

No? Well, you seem to think cloaking is the problem, so obviously you haven't. Let me enlighten you, and solve the alleged problem at the same time without breaking the cloaking mechanic or severly nerfing wormholes. You're sitting down, right?

Good.

The problem is simple... when you're cloaked up in null sec (or anywhere else in empire), people can still see you're in the system. Crazy, isn't it? The whole "afk cloak" whine-fest is based on that simple fact... people can still see you're there while cloaked. So... how do we fix this without breaking other aspects of the game... aspects that rely on cloaking working as it does now?

First of all, removing local isn't the answer. Too nuclear. Empire has local, the natives rely on local, let them keep their local. In light of the real problem, and in order to preserve local in empire spaces, here's the solution.

1. When a ship cloaks, it gets removed from local. It's freakin' cloaked... you should see it at all.

2. When a ship cloaks, it loses access to local. You can't be seen, you can't see them either. If you're going to gather intel, go hunting, etc. you need to actively work to get the data you need. Works great in wormholes, would work just as well in the softer spaces.

3. To prevent abuse regarding hot drops, have there be a delay in being able to light a cyno after decloaking. Length of delay to be determined... 15 seconds, 30 seconds... the point is to offset the "SURPRISE!" factor enough to keep it sporting. Possible exception should be considered for Black Ops ships... they're a special class that shouldn't have this restriction IMO.

There you go... the afk cloaking problem is gone. *POOF* Cloaks don't get broken, and actually get a little better balanced. Intel gathering while cloaked becomes an active endeavour instead of passive. Null space gets to retain a degree of the danger it's supposed to have that you'd lose by nerfing cloaks. Bots get easier to be snuck up on.

All in all, a better balanced plan that breaks nothing that I can see.

Nice....but removal of Local from the cloaked ship kinda defeats the purpose of a cloakie doing recon in a system.

But at least its inventive.

EDIT: Removal of local all together (like WHS...delayed local) is best IMHO.

Not necessarily.

Don't get me wrong... I do like the concept....but it would be best if it was delayed local in 0.0 much like WHS.


Your the fool if you reveal yourself in open space.

And cloaked or not... no ones gonna know your there until its too late.

But then the whiney tearful _____Bears are gonna #### their brains out even if local was removed in that fashion i fear.


Would make life interesting.


But blinding the cloaky...I would think at a minimum if smoeone speaks in local...cloaky should hear it/know it.

Blinding him isn't gonna be a perfect solution either because all he'd have to do is record or ask someone else to report in on such things....good try tho...but hard to beat delayed local solution.

I know, I know, quoting myself in response to a post... but meh, I'm lazy. Cloaking isn't 100% safe unless you never uncloak, in which case it isn't a threat.

If you have a carebear alliance that can't defend it's space against whatever could come through a covert cyno, then you probably shouldn't be in nullsec anyway.

Yes NPC Man... keep saying its broken enough times and CCP will give you every ounce of attention.

Maybe if you say its broken really fast 3 times they may actually appear magically on this forum and say something.


Ok maybe 3 billion times...like this is the 3 millionth time someoen has whined...and gotten stompped hard for this.

Start reading and start listening.

People are giving you sound tactiical solutions to this "problem" and your ignoring them...keep it up...see where it gets you.

You should really get off your high and mighty horse, read the OP and respond to that, in stead of proclaiming over and over again that local should be removed. go derail some other thread.

frag warping not anly effects pirates, it also hinders hi-sec war dec groups, nullbears roaming around in hi sec trying to kill off their 0.0 arch-enemies, etc etc.

Once again, get off your high horse, read the OP and STFU, for frack's sake.

He isn't QQing about cloakers, he's QQing about frag warping ;)

To be honest, the only reason I'm not vehemently against the MWD trick is because I use it myself. Also, for some reason very few other plays seem to bother with it. Even when it is used, it's usually some idiot in a drake. Don't think I've ever lost a decent target due to it, excluding a single black ops ship.

i'm going to call BS here. first off i'm not QQing, you however seem to think so. second, you still have not read or responded to the OP. Third of all: there is no counter to the frag warp trick.

and lets be fair: all you have done is over and over again trying to derail the thread with your own QQing about removing local, whilst not giving any valid, usefull advise or arguments.



maybe take a bit of your own advise, start reading, in stead of over and over and over and over again trying to get atttention to your own personal agenda.

nice try