EVE New Citizens Q&A

Honestly, a miner is useful to have, but as a means to generate isk it is a very poor method, and certainly should not warrant an entire account. That is unless you have some sort of brain malfunction and really enjoy mining, in which case you have my sympathy.

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you will die of boredom and quit eve

actually begging near the train station nets you better cash flow than mining in eve.

gank bears are always on stand-by, and they will be there to harvest the tears of the untouched bear

safe way to make some starting isk comes down to ratting. Especially when you join a null sec corporation and kill your first rat Battleship class.

then the amount of time you have while EVE is still hot and new is limited to your neuro-sensory inner quality. So make your best way to enjoy the quality time in EVE.

if you start take the game like work, you will be torturing yourself and hating your fingers that press the buttons repeatedly

Thanks - this seems like a good answer.

I really don't want to spend the equivalent of 50 hours mining for what is essentially $20 or so. I don't "enjoy" mining per se - i just thought it could be a good way to make some ISK.

I love mining but in terms of straight time invested and your return the average person is stupid to mine for isk. That being said I can generate 5 plex a month for subs plus pvp isk, but and its a big but, I have a lot of time on my hands and I enjoy the downtime of mining in between the pvp fleet stuff.

Your better off with a straight FW farming alt or a mission runner in terms of actual income made. The thing with mining is threefold; either you have a lot of time and enjoy it, you scale it with as many accounts as you can or you enjoy the relaxing nature of mining. Its not a huge income maker on a single account, even a miner and hauler/boosting toon combo is overshadowed by two miners and no boost. You really need quite a few accounts to make mining more productive than other avenues of raw income.

That being said theres quite a few people that do enjoy mining a lot. Its not glamorous nor is it super lucrative but its a nice relaxing profession. The other thing is the skill requirement is fairly low to get into or max versus the other professions.

FW plexing alt, mission runner, data/relic hunter in null sec are all solo activities that pay well with lowish skill requirements.

If these alts are all on separate accounts, inter-regional trading can be very lucrative. Park 1 alt in Jita as a buyer (this one doesnt even need any skills, as all you'll be doing with it is buying,) and another alt in 1 of the other hubs as your reseller. Ignoring all the unnecessary trading skills (you wont need margin trading, or skills that grow your range, for example,) you can have a decently trained seller alt in 8-10 days, the only skills you'll really need are those that increase your max # of orders and that lessen taxes and broker fees. This also means that once you have your base skills down for the seller alt (like I said, 8-10 days or so) you can start training a "real" toon, like a PVP alt on the same account.

Now you either make your own channel or just open a convo between your two sellers. Buy lower in Jita sell higher in Dodixie or Amarr. You probably have no idea what items to look for, so head on over to www.eve-central.com and use their trade tools to look up items and their prices. Best result is to compare 2 systems (the bottom option under trade tools) and get a list of items in Jita selling for X compared to selling in Dixie for Y. You can enter in a max price on the items so you don't blow your budget. You want a private convo or your own channel so you can copy the item's name on 1 toon, tab over and paste the name in the market browser on the other toon - saves a lot of time.

It takes a little money to get started, but your cash will grow exponentially if you keep reinvesting your returns, and you can start out small with cheap, high volume items like faction ammo.

If indeed all THREE toons are on different accounts and your computer can handle it, park the miner in front of some 'roids and start mining, tab over to the browser, get an item in mind, check the price in Jita, tab over, check the price in amarr, check sales history and make sure the item actually sells, and buy it on the Jita toon. Whenever you feel rdy, move the goods on 1 of the traders to the reselling system. Since your buyer doesnt NEED any skills, you can skill him up into industrial ships and eventually a blockade runner or freighter. I highly recommend a blockade runner because they are so FAST, + they can cloak. I ended up selling my freighter, because I could move tons of ISK worth of stuff in the blockade runner. IMO the only reason to keep the freighter would have been to move ships or POS modules, neither of which interest me anymore, it's just not worth the hassle.

There's a couple other things you can do to increase your income without too much hassle, as well. Feel free to hit me up in game sometime, I'd be happy to help you out.

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it's a sandbox, do whatever you want that amuses you or justifies keeping a subscription. Be aware that blowing up your stuff is often amusing to other players..

Best to not make mining your only or primary income source. Solely mining to pay a sub is also probably not going to be very enjoyable as you noticed. Try it and see (and use a tanked Procurer) and you can make your own determination. I'd personally train that alt to salvage.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Hmz obvious baiting stays obvious.

I think I would have quit EVE years ago if I had to work in-game rather than have fun.

The monthly fee for an account is about the same as one cheap lunch at a restaurant.

I have 5 annually subscribed accounts. As hobbies go, EVE costs me less than others have.

Do anything possible to avoid the dreaded "playing the game just to keep playing the game".... then it feels like a job, and that's how you ragequit.

Just pay the sub fees and have fun, man. Grindfests are terribad. Become a PvPer and buy PLEX when you're going broke.