Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Seems a bit overkill.

The Retriever has 3 low slots. The Procurer has 2. This is an effective 9% difference in mining yield. Replicate this for the Mack/Skiff and that will give people incentive to use the Mack.



You are wildly overstating the frequency of ganks in high-sec. Anyone with half a brain can find a good, relatively gank-free system in which to mine.

Until one solo ganker decides to visit that system at the times you play. At which point you WILL be docking up and hiding, or getting blown up, or find yourself relocating, any of the three significantly reducing your income.

Until you get ganked. I love covetors and hulks in fleet mining ops, easy targets :)


Well, I started out as a miner. Even without Orca boosting your strip miner range, you have 15km range. You don't need to be right beside the rock to start mining, you just need to be in range. A few bookmarks per belt are enough. If you have decent Orca support you can clear out entire belts without moving.

Belts are static too, mine out an asteroid and it will respawn in the exact same place the next day. You're bookmarks will last you till the day they change that.

I can't believe I'm actually teaching miners how to mine, the shame!

Heavens forbid your gameplay would be affected by others in a MMO game.

Listen cupcake, you wanna talk being affected by others, you wanna talk risk? The miners, haulers, and so forth that you gank take on more risk than you, they risk being affected by others more than you do. They are the hardasses you wish you were as you sit in your disposable ship waiting to suicide gank somebody. Yes, those guys lazily sitting in belts afk mining are nonchalantly taking on more risk than you are, because they are sitting waiting for anything that could happen, knowing they could lose their ship.

You on the other hand aren't ever at risk. You never will lose anything you didn't already plan to lose. You won't engage when it's not worth it. You won't even sit out there in something you could lose until it's time to lose it. Zero ****ing risk, you worthless pansy. So take your high horse and stick it somewhere useful, hopefully somewhere that shuts you up.

Suicide ganking is just math and F1, it's been reduced to that science. Don't pretend you are some hero or bigger than those who actually put themselves at risk. Psychologically you are the bottom feeder of EVE, sitting in a 0.5 system waiting for an unbalanced risk profile to wander by. All the while safely sitting there, docked, waiting for somebody else to click on a cargo scanner. Damn man, don't click that cargo scanner, that could get you killed. So hardcore.

Meanwhile the actual risk takers are preparing to fly through that 0.5, because there is no other route around it, and take their chances. But don't let that phase you, you are the badass here, the one totally having your gameplay affected by others. You go badass! Oh, I think it's time to undock now... Way to punch adversity in the face, you are so special.

My personal experience was that roids basicly stayed in the same location. I still see this to this day. Maybe this means a lot of the roids never get mined out completely, I dunno.

It doesn't change the fact that you need only a few bookmarks per belt and you're good to cover the entire belt (cept from the freak veldspar rocks that sometimes are 150KM out).

The ppl/places menu has this nifty feature called "folders", which helps you to manage your bookmarks avoiding cluttering. I have dozens of bookmarks for my endeavours and this number is ever increasing. Avoiding clutter requires only basic organising skills.

Slow boating between belt bookmarks can be avoided by having 200km bookmarks in your belt which you can use to bounce around. Even if you go slowboating, the Skiff is the best ship to do it in as it is the fastest of all barges and xumers. If you put a prop mod on it you can traverse entire belt in no time. The Skiff being so versatile, it can easily spare the mid slot and still have several time the tank of the Mack, let alone the Hulk.

Btw: the SKiff has an ore bay nearly twice as big as the Hulk's. That should be brought in line too, maybe trim it down to 10k or something.

Yup, those tanked Skiff/procurer pilots hiding behind a 20 second concord response time are truly the brave and bold of the EVE universe! We -10 chars that can be freely shot at by every player and are actively hunted down by faction police are at no risk at all.

It's hard to shoot somebody who is sitting in a station. Do you think this is my first week playing EVE? Yes, I'm sure you want me to believe that your -10 ass is sitting somewhere in space waiting for that Skiff and his CONCORD support fleet to come kill you. Poor you, your life is so hard.

Won't somebody please think of the suicide gankers? I mean through no fault of their own, through no actions they took themselves, they are hunted by CONCORD. If they even so much as perform a criminal act they are treated like criminals, how unfair!

They dont. There are far more solo miners than you think.

and in small gangs it is in fact more efficient to have a mack or rettie act as a hauler/miner rather than having one dedicated hauler.

you dont know what you are talking about and your entire argument is based on the outright FALLACY that skiffs are by far the most common barge in use. they are not. take a look around you in game or present some kind of evidence that supports your argument.

I can't provide exact or even guestimates at numbers for ship types for the entire game, and neither can you. Yet there you are asking for 'evidence' while providing none yourself for any of your statements.

What I can do however is tell you from personal experience that Skiffs (and procs) are the most popular mining ships in my part of the woods. By FAR even.

What you're also wrong about is that this entire argument is based on how popular the Skiff is. Even if it was the least popular mining ship that does not change the attributes of the Skiff and how they compare to the other exhumers. THAT's what makes the Skiff unbalanced, not how many ppl fly or don't fly it.