EVE General Discussion

i agree but if people are complaining about mechanics being broken then why do they live there when there is soo many other systems where you can fight freely and do what you want without the intervention of concord or the cost of wardecs? again it sound like they think they are some sort of guide or holy figure trying to enforce the fundementals of a game and "show people the light".

You have it backwards, like very many who call themselves PVe players

I am a pve player. My number 1 strength is the understanding that EVE is a pvp game (and that my preference for PVE does not change that). I know that pvp is everywhere and combat pvp can fall on me at any time. I incorporate this knowledge into my gameplay at all times, meaning i fit my mission ships to survive ganks, i watch local even in high sec, I carry ecm drones and fit a heavy neut to my machariel and so forth.

This is what real EVE PVE players do. We play super fast bad ass with an attitude Space Gazelle in a game of Hungry Space Lions. We don't cry for mommy (CCP) to make the bad men go away, we do it for ourselves, because those combat pvp guys are just nerds like us sitting at their own computers.

Which is why the utter weakness and pitifulness of the people who campaign on forum,s for CCP to make the game nicer and easier (all in the name of the children) tick people like me off so badly. Those War Deccers aren't internet supermen.

Wiothout realizing it, the people asking CCP for more safety (or asking for CCP to maintain the high sec status quo) are actually asking for them to utterly devalue years worth of game play effort and learning that REAL EVE pve jocks put into 'surviving' in this game.

You ask that of Kaarous but I don't see you asking the risk averse people why they are playing EVE when a game like Star Trek online exists and has NO nonconsensual pvp (and has walking around/avatar play and such things that these people always ask for). See it works both ways.

Oh and they are showing people the light, explosions make light lol. They can't show ME the light...unless I play EVE drunk like I did that one time with my jump freighter....damn war decs.

I do, and life without local is way more fun. Too bad most people are too scared to try it.

I agree that EVE's core is definetly PVP, or competition in all its forms (market, resources, industry, etc.).

BUT

The practical 'truth' is defined by what actually happens, what people see.

And what actually happens in highsec, is that ship explosions resulting from combat are EXTREMELY rare compared to how many people live and undock there (even for players in Corps).


So in a sense, it's the game itself (in highsec) that is 'lying' to the players living there. It's 'lying' every day, to everybody except a few unlucky wardec targets or gank targets.


Jenn, as you admit yourself, your (and my) 'ideal EVE' is mostly absent in today's highsec. It's a confused land where players that want to play EVE in the wrong place clash with players that want to play WoW in the wrong place.

I just hope that smart and focused Princess Seagull chick will soon bring more clarity also to highsec.

That's why I wish one could opt out of local in k-space as well, really excited for Thera though it should introduce more k-spacers to life without local.

Show me on the doll where the big bad NPC corp member touched you.

You've basically become the very thing you hate so very much, it's consumed you.

Staring into the abyss and all that.

I guess the lesson here is that different folks have their own differing agendas.... I say this because you keep on saying the same thing about not forcing people into PVP. Maybe that's what some ignoramuses are trying to do, but DUH of course the targets can just stay docked, leave town, etc.

Now, to me and folks of a similar mindset, a wardec isn't about blowing ppl up, getting good content, or forcing the targets to PVP. IMO the whole point of a wardec is to inconvenience your target and deny them content. Sure they can play an alt, station trade, etc, but in the end, theyre not able to do their first choice, theyre living as best they can while under the gun.

I've paid for decs where not a single ship was destroyed and I was happy with the results. You can cost someone a lot of isk and a lot of fun just by shutting down their operations.

I know for a fact someone proposed that idea.

CCP completely ignored it like they do most beneficial ideas.

E: That's a little to harsh this did come of it:

24. Posting with alternate characters is prohibited in some forum channels.

Some channels such as Corporations Alliances and Organization Discussions do not allow users to post with alternate characters. CCP defines alternate characters as character that do not display the corporation they belong to, who are members of NPC corporations, or who are members of small corporations specifically created for forum posting purposes. Posts by characters filling these criteria will be removed.

Take that morons who said you'd make posting alt corps.