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Nevil Oscillator
#21 - 2014-11-16 16:08:34 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:


The only in-game intel available to you is Sec Status. For the rest you actually have to figure out what that person is up to by observing their actions, identifying their ship, etc.



Every player corp makes it's standings available to it's members so no the rest of you don't have to all do that.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-11-16 16:21:06 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:


The only in-game intel available to you is Sec Status. For the rest you actually have to figure out what that person is up to by observing their actions, identifying their ship, etc.



Every player corp makes it's standings available to it's members so no the rest of you don't have to all do that.




Didn't I say that already?


Jvpiter wrote:
P.S. PC Corp standings, editable by corp or alliance Diplomats or Directors, *are* available in Local along with Sec Status, Bounty, etc.


Call me Joe.
Nevil Oscillator
#23 - 2014-11-16 16:29:09 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:


The only in-game intel available to you is Sec Status. For the rest you actually have to figure out what that person is up to by observing their actions, identifying their ship, etc.



Every player corp makes it's standings available to it's members so no the rest of you don't have to all do that.




Didn't I say that already?


Jvpiter wrote:
P.S. PC Corp standings, editable by corp or alliance Diplomats or Directors, *are* available in Local along with Sec Status, Bounty, etc.




FW players are not able to do that because they are split into a combination of PC's and NPC Corp. You can't have an alliance that includes the players in NPC corps. It is also questionable as to whether you want FW to be one big fat player alliance.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-11-16 16:41:14 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:


FW players are not able to do that because they are split into a combination of PC's and NPC Corp. You can't have an alliance that includes the players in NPC corps. It is also questionable as to whether you want FW to be one big fat player alliance.



You *do* understand that the PC corp standings results from some other human being creating and curating that list?


Those standings are identical to setting people to Excellent , Terrible, etc. standing in your own personal contact list.

Call me Joe.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#25 - 2014-11-16 16:44:08 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:


FW players are not able to do that because they are split into a combination of PC's and NPC Corp. You can't have an alliance that includes the players in NPC corps. It is also questionable as to whether you want FW to be one big fat player alliance.



one of the reasons we (the frogs) are stomping on the squids is because of the cooperation between almost all of the GalMil corps.

we have shared comms. and open fleets open (duh!) to all GalMil pilots.

read this article about our Space Jesus

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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#26 - 2014-11-16 16:54:32 UTC
People run security missions and if you take on ones that put you up against another factions' navy, you will lose standing with them.

This does not mean that such players are an enemy (WT) to the players who signed up for FW. They are still neutrals and like any neutral they can not shoot you or be shot at by you in high sec without concord showing up. As for low sec, you or the neutral (whichever shoots first), will take a sec status hit. The game does provide indication for players with negative sec status.

As for adjusting standings, you can adjust your own personal standing toward individuals/corps/alliances all you like. If you find certain neutrals in the FW systems going after allies in your FW, then link their name and state as such in FW chat. It's then up each player that reads it to use the intel as they see fit.

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Nevil Oscillator
#27 - 2014-11-16 17:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Angeal MacNova wrote:
People run security missions and if you take on ones that put you up against another factions' navy, you will lose standing with them.

This does not mean that such players are an enemy (WT) to the players who signed up for FW. They are still neutrals and like any neutral they can not shoot you or be shot at by you in high sec without concord showing up. As for low sec, you or the neutral (whichever shoots first), will take a sec status hit. The game does provide indication for players with negative sec status.

As for adjusting standings, you can adjust your own personal standing toward individuals/corps/alliances all you like. If you find certain neutrals in the FW systems going after allies in your FW, then link their name and state as such in FW chat. It's then up each player that reads it to use the intel as they see fit.


I have brought that subject up before, I think faction standings and standings of the FW Corp are separate so for instance if you kill NPC Amarr ships in security missions, it doesn't have a direct affect on your standing with 24th Crusade FW corp. If I am wrong about that someone please correct me.

Jvpiter wrote:



You *do* understand that the PC corp standings results from some other human being creating and curating that list?




Yes but the management of FW is NPC, it isn't a players role in the NPC corporation to provide information to it's members on who is killing them. Standings is the least they could do besides nothing.
Nevil Oscillator
#28 - 2014-11-19 21:20:33 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:


No, we understand what you're asking for. You are asking for free intel. "Point out my targets for me!" If someone is a bad, bad person you don't want to manually add him with Terrible Standing, or use Zkill, or use Pirate's Friend, or be in a PC Corp with an extensive Standings list.




Well you could see it like that but also you could see it as an exploit of the NPC failing to provide even the simplest things for it's members who they throw into low sec and expect them to fight someone when they haven't told them who it is.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-11-19 21:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jvpiter
Nevil Oscillator wrote:


Well you could see it like that but also you could see it as an exploit of the NPC failing to provide even the simplest things for it's members who they throw into low sec and expect them to fight someone when they haven't told them who it is.


The sort of free intel you are looking for does not exist for PC Corp or NPC Corp players.


If you want it back as a feature, you should check the thread I linked earlier to see how it used to work, and then write up a proposal in F&I to propose the mechanics changes you want.

Call me Joe.
Nevil Oscillator
#30 - 2014-11-19 22:22:39 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:


The sort of free intel you are looking for does not exist for PC Corp or NPC Corp players.


If you want it back as a feature, you should check the thread I linked earlier to see how it used to work, and then write up a proposal in F&I to propose the mechanics changes you want.


On the contrary it does exist, standings is all I am looking for.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#31 - 2014-11-20 05:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:


The sort of free intel you are looking for does not exist for PC Corp or NPC Corp players.


If you want it back as a feature, you should check the thread I linked earlier to see how it used to work, and then write up a proposal in F&I to propose the mechanics changes you want.


On the contrary it does exist, standings is all I am looking for.


dude in lowsec, if it's not blue (standing +5/+10, allied or corp mate) it's hostile, even then they might still awox you.

as for your OP, afaik, as a neutral, losing faction standing can only happen when you decline or did not complete a mission from that faction. you will NOT lose faction standing by shooting FW players instead you will lose Security Status, especially if you pod them.

for FW pilots see this

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Nevil Oscillator
#32 - 2014-11-20 11:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Nat Silverguard wrote:
[quote=Nevil Oscillator][quote=Jvpiter]


for FW pilots see this


So then .. the only thing that reduces your standing with the enemy FW Corp is killing players that belong to that corp.
Enlisted player corporations therefore are ignored by the FW Corp in terms of standing and have to fend for themselves. I think I have a point that members of that NPC FW corp should have some functional way of seeing a pilots standing to his corp.
the issue is that it differs from how a player corp uses standing because NPC corp not only keep it secret from their members, they fail to keep it secret from their enemy.
Erehwon Rorschach
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
#33 - 2014-11-20 11:19:20 UTC
Trolling?

I'm not even sure. If you want to set someone red or blue use the tools you have at hand.

This thread doesn't seem like it's bringing anything constructive to the game/forums.

You've got the tools available to use in-game so use them.

Because your mum just couldn't say no.
Nevil Oscillator
#34 - 2014-11-20 11:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Erehwon Rorschach wrote:
Trolling?

I'm not even sure. If you want to set someone red or blue use the tools you have at hand.

This thread doesn't seem like it's bringing anything constructive to the game/forums.

You've got the tools available to use in-game so use them.


There are no tools to set corporation standing of an NPC corporation. A pirate or mercenary has to kill a large number of their player members to be in their bad books and once they are, the only person the FW corp tells about it, is the mercenary or pirate that has killed its members. You don't get to see what standing another player corporation has set for you without asking them nicely
flakeys
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-11-20 15:06:01 UTC
My god , it's low-sec . Everyone not blue is after your blood , most who are blue are not and yes that is most ...


If that's too much to keep in mind then join a player corp , yes i know my god it has benefits over an npc corp like setting standings ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Nevil Oscillator
#36 - 2014-11-20 15:31:32 UTC
flakeys wrote:
My god , it's low-sec . Everyone not blue is after your blood , most who are blue are not and yes that is most ...


If that's too much to keep in mind then join a player corp , yes i know my god it has benefits over an npc corp like setting standings ...



Some people believe it or not , even in low sec, have better things to do.
Nevil Oscillator
#37 - 2014-12-06 13:14:34 UTC
Are all vets are that pathetic that they think after they have killed 2000 T1 frigates with level 3 skilled pilots in them that they should be completely unacknowledged as a threat by that corporation ?
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#38 - 2014-12-06 13:20:58 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Are all vets are that pathetic that they think after they have killed 2000 T1 frigates with level 3 skilled pilots in them that they should be completely unacknowledged as a threat by that corporation ?


wat? What?

Just Add Water
Nevil Oscillator
#39 - 2014-12-06 13:25:57 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Are all vets are that pathetic that they think after they have killed 2000 T1 frigates with level 3 skilled pilots in them that they should be completely unacknowledged as a threat by that corporation ?


wat? What?



They should know who is killing them
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-12-06 14:31:18 UTC
My god Nevil...

Since you started posting on the forums, each thread has been nothing but stating the obvious mixed with confusion and misunderstanding of game mechanics.

Don't stop posting. Your constant barely legible post is sometimes exciting in a "what the hell is that guy smoking" kind of way.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk