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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#121 - 2014-11-20 02:02:12 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
lots of text.


Lots of words....not sure how this relates to OP suggestion of making it cheaper to wardecc big corps and more expensive to wardecc larger ones.

What is your position on that?


ive given my position....
Too bad your too much of a carebear or an idiot to understand. Im really close to being the next to add to your bounty pot.


Your wall of text and whining about rolling corps and dec dodging is not actually responsive to OP suggestion. Roll

For future reference it would help if instead of whining about my post you would clearly state if you agree with reducing the fees for deccing large groups and increasing the fees for deccing small ones instead of just whining and trolling. Shocked
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#122 - 2014-11-20 04:16:47 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
lots of text.


Lots of words....not sure how this relates to OP suggestion of making it cheaper to wardecc big corps and more expensive to wardecc larger ones.

What is your position on that?


ive given my position....
Too bad your too much of a carebear or an idiot to understand. Im really close to being the next to add to your bounty pot.


Your wall of text and whining about rolling corps and dec dodging is not actually responsive to OP suggestion. Roll

For future reference it would help if instead of whining about my post you would clearly state if you agree with reducing the fees for deccing large groups and increasing the fees for deccing small ones instead of just whining and trolling. Shocked


I have already, maybe you should go back and see where I have already done so. I simply gave you a rebuttal BECAUSE you brought up the rolling of corps and stuff and just kep arguing that line. Maybe you should take more time reading like i already asked you to when i said i have already given my opinion......oh wait carebears are unable to think for themselves or follow simple instructions
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#123 - 2014-11-20 04:33:46 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:


I have already, maybe you should go back and see where I have already done so. I simply gave you a rebuttal BECAUSE you brought up the rolling of corps and stuff and just kep arguing that line. Maybe you should take more time reading like i already asked you to when i said i have already given my opinion......oh wait carebears are unable to think for themselves or follow simple instructions


At no point do I see you stating whether you agree or disagree with OP's idea. All I see from you is Grrr Veers, whining, name calling, pathetic threats, and walls of text.

Here is a clue for you Sherlock...try to stay on topic, actually respond to the OP, avoid personal attacks, and move on. If you don't like someone's posting, just ignore them. Getting all riled up, making stupid threats, and blowing hot air around doesn't make you look tough, it just makes you look childish and immature.

Cut the Grrr Veers garbage, and actually respond to OP.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#124 - 2014-11-20 05:07:09 UTC
To be fair, Veers, you make it hard to engage in anything except "Grr Veers" and spout more than a little garbage yourself.

As for why 25-and-under corps should be protected more (in this case by higher fees) when corp-rolling is easy at that point, it's because corp rolling shouldn't even happen.

I disagree with a lot of things being said in this thread, including most of what Veers says, and I strongly disagree with the notion that wardecs should follow people after they leave corp, but you shouldn't be able to disband a corporation during a wardec. Even if everyone leaves that corp except the CEO, that corp should be prevented from folding and required to exist (that is, the CEO isn't allowed to leave or drop roles) until the wardec has completed and hostilities have ceased.

Maybe it should be "roles cannot be dropped during an active war", thereby trapping people in the corp unless a director/CEO kicks them.

As for the CEO being required to stay in the corp during active hostilities, it's sort of like a captain being expected to go down with their ship isn't it?
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#125 - 2014-11-20 05:58:32 UTC
So marmite wants to pay less for their 100+ wars at any given time?

Can't imagine why....

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2014-11-20 08:01:21 UTC
I don't mind a change in wardec fees right now and think it would make more sense for larger corps to pay more, maybe a fee per member of the corp since CONCORD have more people to turn a blind eye to. As for rolling corps its perfectly valid now and as I stated earlier if the deccing corp don't do their homework then they waste money pure and simple...I can roll my one man corp in real life for tax purposes if I so choose (I don't as I believe in paying my dues) so see no difference here. Corps are a means to an end to be used as the CEO sees fit.

As for 'oh wait carebears are unable to think for themselves or follow simple instructions' I couldn't help but smile...isn't not thinking and following simple instructions the definition of large fleet combat in blob right now? More seriously if a 'carebear' decides not to play war games and rolls corp they have clearly thought for themselves and opted out. Keep track of members in a corp that you dec and go gank their shiny mission ship instead, that'd really tic them off more...

There is no benefit to a small corp of non-combat PvPers to fight as they will lose and beome a bigger wardec target in future. As in any predator / prey situation the prey will go to ground instead of being eaten. Since they are doing what's required to play the game their way they are by their own definition playing Eve well. Since it is a sandbox there is no firm or single definition of playing Eve well. Even CCP can't really define that since as soon as players get their grubby little clone paws on anything its initial intent warps and evolves straight away...
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#127 - 2014-11-20 09:37:21 UTC
whatever, big alliances rely on neutral logi corps or even NPC alts anyways, regardless how cheap or expensive you would make wardecs, so dont expect big changes there vOv.
Tora Bushido
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#128 - 2014-11-20 22:58:56 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
So marmite wants to pay less for their 100+ wars at any given time?

Can't imagine why....
Maybe next time I'll use and alt to avoid the comments where it's about Marmites. Some of you are so obsessed with Marmites, that you cant imagine I am doing this for others then Marmites. Probably the same players who think Goons are evil people in real life, because they are to some of you in game. Grow up....

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#129 - 2014-11-21 01:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Lunacy that people would claim this somehow benefits Marmites. Marmite are contracted to wardec mostly smaller corps, the kinds of corps that would be increased in wardec cost under Tora's proposal.

Talk about bad maths, like as if reduction in cost of the couple dozen larger corps they dec would outweigh the increased costs of the over 100 smaller corps in any given week.


Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
To be fair, Veers, you make it hard to engage in anything except "Grr Veers" and spout more than a little garbage yourself.

As for why 25-and-under corps should be protected more (in this case by higher fees) when corp-rolling is easy at that point, it's because corp rolling shouldn't even happen.

I disagree with a lot of things being said in this thread, including most of what Veers says, and I strongly disagree with the notion that wardecs should follow people after they leave corp, but you shouldn't be able to disband a corporation during a wardec. Even if everyone leaves that corp except the CEO, that corp should be prevented from folding and required to exist (that is, the CEO isn't allowed to leave or drop roles) until the wardec has completed and hostilities have ceased.

Maybe it should be "roles cannot be dropped during an active war", thereby trapping people in the corp unless a director/CEO kicks them.

As for the CEO being required to stay in the corp during active hostilities, it's sort of like a captain being expected to go down with their ship isn't it?

CEO alt would just become a thing.

There are all our dominion

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#130 - 2014-11-21 05:35:13 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
So marmite wants to pay less for their 100+ wars at any given time?

Can't imagine why....
Maybe next time I'll use and alt to avoid the comments where it's about Marmites. Some of you are so obsessed with Marmites, that you cant imagine I am doing this for others then Marmites. Probably the same players who think Goons are evil people in real life, because they are to some of you in game. Grow up....


Allow me to rephrase..

So [insert large war deccing alliance here] would have to pay less for their [insert # of decs here]+ wars at any given time to the benefit of everybody that gets decced because some alt thought it a good idea..?

Can't imagine why...

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Tora Bushido
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#131 - 2014-11-21 07:57:47 UTC
How about we change the dec fees and keep the old way for just Marmite. Hell even increase the dec fees for Marmites. If it would help protect the smaller corp, I would still approve.

So far, we often deny contracts on to small corp or make the price so high, most clients will deny the quote. You do not kill the young fish or in the end their will be no bigger fish. So don't get me wrong here, we still enjoy fishing, but it needs to be in balance.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.